Voldermort has a secret

[va32h]

No: HPFGUIDX 167882

Cassandra:
>   I do not recall exactly what happened in the graveyard, (and I do 
not have the book with me at the moment) but didn't LV say that the 
grave was that of his father's while he was giving his speech to the 
DE's? If so, wouldn't they know that 'Riddle' was not a wizarding 
family name? Especially since they are all so connected? I believe 
that LV's secret is that he is keeping his half blood geneology from 
the DE's, but I just can't imagine them being there in a muggle 
cementary and not putting the two and two together? 

va32h here:

Voldemort does say, in reference to his regeneration potion "My 
father's bone, naturally, meant that we would have to come here, 
where he was buried." But that is the only reference he makes to his 
father in front of the DEs. One sentence, in the middle of a 
narrative that is probably moving along quickly, and spoken in front 
of an audience still shocked to be there in the first place. 

He doesn't say which grave is his father's, or give a name. Harry is 
tied to the Riddle headstone, and most likely his body is covering 
the name. According to Dumbledore "few knew" that LV had ever been 
Tom Riddle in the first place. I think that is something that is easy 
for readers to forget - because we are so used to LV being Tom. But 
Dumbledore said early on that it was a little known fact. 

LV had given a fairly lengthy speech about the family history to 
Harry - but the other DEs had not arrived yet. In fact, LV stops 
talking about his family history, because his "true family" arrives - 
the DEs. Wormtail *was* there for the full history of Tom Riddle, 
though. Assuming anyone in the DEs listens to him anymore, that info 
may or may not mean anything. 

Jen said:  

The con for DE's knowing specifically about the Horcruxes comes
from Dumbledore's information about Voldemort and tyrants in general,
how they actually fear the people they oppress and know one day there
will be a person who rises up and strikes back.  Voldemort giving up 
the information about his Horcruxes, no matter how arrogant he is, 
strikes me as counter to the assertion he actually feared those he 
oppressed (including his Death Eaters) and wouldn't give them 
information that could lead anyone to thwart him.  In that respect, 
the Horcruxes--or in R.A.B.'s case one Horcrux--would be a huge 
secret to stumble across.  

va32h here:

My thinking on this is that Voldemort told multiple DE's that they 
were entrusted with his one and only horcrux. That pits the DEs 
against each other - as they each think they are LV's most trusted, 
and thus makes them less likely to compare notes. If one horcrux 
were  were destroyed, and Voldemort attacked, he would still be 
alive, but also know who the traitor was in his organization.  So it 
also works as a test of loyalty. 

I am not entirely convinced that Lucius never knew the Diary was a 
horcrux. Dumbledore says that Snape says that Lucius didn't know. And 
Dumbledore thinks that Lucius would have treated the Diary with more 
care if he did know. But Lucius is a slick operator. His life, post 
Voldemort's defeat, is pretty darn good. He got off scot-free, of any 
criminal charges, and has the Minister of Magic in his back pocket. I 
think Lucius watched and waited, and after more than a decade of 
Voldemort not re-animating, decided to get rid of the Diary in hopes 
that it would be destroyed, and LV would never come back. In a stroke 
of good luck, Lucius finds he can get rid of the diary and discredit 
Arthur Weasley at the same time by planting the diary on Ginny. LV 
doesn't call Lucius his slippery friend for nothing.  

Now, how has this motive escaped Voldemort's superb legillimency 
skills? Well again - Snape says Voldemort is the most accomplished 
Legillimens of all time, and he says it to an audience of LV 
sycophants, so what else is he going to say? The only person we've 
seen LV use Legillimency on are Harry, and possibly Wormtail. Harry 
we know has zero Occlumency skills, and Wormtail is a snivelling 
coward so no surprise there. 

I think it is possible to fool LV because his very hubris makes him 
think no one would dare to try. 

(PS - I think Snape is the most accomplished Legillimens and 
Occlumens of all time)

Jen here:
> Either way, I think the fact that Voldemort is a half-blood is 
bound to come out in DH.  That would be a huge destabilizing thing 
for DEs to learn and I wonder if the information won't come from 
Lucius?  He seems like a guy who always has a back door and after 
giving up some of his power when LV returned, combined with being 
left in Azkaban and Voldemort targeting Draco, I wouldn't wonder if 
he will finally reveal that he figured out Riddle's origins after the 
diary was left in his care.

The fact that it came from a Muggle shop would the clue he built on
to have something against the Dark Lord should LV ever return.


va32h here:

Right - Lucius is a player. And with no Dementors in Azkaban, he 
won't be too depressed to figure a way out of his current jam. Maybe 
he will talk to the Ministry, who can instruct the Daily Prophet to 
publish an expose of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. A lot of Voldemort's 
power comes from his mystique. Maybe people wouldn't be afraid to say 
Voldemort, if they knew his real name was Tom Riddle. 

va32h, imagining Voldemort standing in the middle of Diagon Alley, 
surrounded by a crowd of witches and wizards, who point and 
chant "Little Tommy Riddle" until he bursts into tears.