Tortured bad guys/PurebloodAccent/Sal's Snake(was re:Neri/miniature/DDanimagu...

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> >>Betsy Hp wrote in
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/167627>:
> > Like how when "good guys" get tortured it's a heart-wrenching and
> > terrible thing, but when "bad guys" get tortured it's cartoonish 
> > and funny?

> >>Catlady:
> When do readers see 'bad guys' being tortured?
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
I was thinking specifically of Dudley's pig-tail in PS/SS, Dudley 
being choked in GoF, Draco being bounced in GoF, and of course the 
facial maiming of Marietta in OotP.  Though I suppose you could also 
throw in the attack on young!Snape in GoF.

The blowing up of Aunt Marge in PoA and Montague's time in the closet 
could *possibly* be described as torture.  Though neither Harry nor 
the twins actually meant for their victims to suffer as they did, so 
I'm not sure I'd count them as such.  (Though I'm sure both victims 
felt tortured at the time.)

> >>Goddlefrood wrote in
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/167705>:
> > that Snape is from a lower class background than many other Death
> > Eaters

> >>Catlady:
> Logic suggests that the wizarding upper class, so proud of their    
> pure blood and their isolation from Muggles, would have a different 
> snob accent and other different etiquette than the Muggle upper    
> class.
> <snip>
> She showed Draco with the same accent as Justin because she didn't 
> have enough pages to train the reader to recognize wizarding social 
> class by its alien behaviors.

Betsy Hp:
One of my favorite fanfics has a moment when a Muggle character 
disbelieves Draco's statement that he was born and raised in a 
certain area of Britain (I can't recall where exactly, maybe Surrey?) 
because his accent is all wrong.  The character described Draco's 
accent as sort of colonies like, maybe South African but not quite.

And this is the sort of thing that while I totally understand JKR 
didn't have the time or space to do (so *many* different things to 
cover) I kind of wish could have been included. Though I do get that 
it would have made the sort of type-casting JKR's been having so much 
clever fun with rather difficult.  And I've been enjoying the type-
casting.  So I suppose this is me wanting to both have and eat my 
cake. <g>

> >>Carol:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/167849
> <snip>
> For Salazar Slytherin and for Tom Riddle after him, the Basilisk is 
> a deadly weapon.
> Killing is its sole purpose, or rather Salazar Slytherin's intended
> purpose in leaving it in Hogwarts in the first place, to kill
> Muggleborns.
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
I've wondered if Tom "the world is the way I spin it!" Riddle was 
correct about Salazar being big on killing Muggleborns.  He just 
strikes me as the sort of person to totally twist the meaning of 
anyone's statement to make it best suit him. So, I developed a theory 
(the best sort of theory; the kind with very little canon). <bg>  

I suspect that Salazar's biggest fear was a hoard of Muggles breaking 
into Hogwarts to spread riot and murder through its hallowed halls.  
When he was booted (or perhaps, chose to leave) he was afraid no one 
would be around to help protect the students.  So he left a deadly 
barrier in an area he thought might be weakest without him there to 
guard it: the underground caverns.  But he also made sure no innocent 
student (or staff member for that matter <g>) could just stumble 
across the beast.  So he put it behind the best lock he could think 
of.  One that only he or those of his blood (and therefore folks 
close to him, I'd imagine) could open.

But then, I've long tended to see Salazar Slytherin as the Mary 
Magdelene of "Hogwarts: A History". <beg>

Betsy Hp