Nitwit? - Remus John Lupin

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No: HPFGUIDX 167990


> > Alla:
> > 
> > What I said was that I saw nothing of Lupin **arranging** for 
Snape 
> > to be publicly humiliated and I stand by this intepretation.
> 
> Pippin:
> Lupin  suggested the means by which boggart Snape could be 
ridiculed,
> and then had Neville demonstrate this for the class. Sounds like an
> arrangement to me. You might as well say that Bella didn't arrange
> to attack Sirius, she just thought it was the best way to get the
> prophecy.

Alla:

Eh, no, that is not a fact that this is what Lupin did. I believe 
that he was helping Neville first and foremost. Would it be clearer 
if I say that Lupin did not **plan** to humiliate Snape? That this 
is just unexpected consequence of him helping Neville?

Of course I am not arguing that Snape was **not** humiliated, sure 
he was ( not nearly enough if you ask me), I am just saying that 
this was not Lupin intent ( This is only my belief obviously that 
those are Lupin's thoughts).



 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > Why? Because she did not say I want Lupin as if he existed in ou 
> > world teaching my daughter. Because I do not see her imagining 
that 
> > the character  who went evil for any reasons would teach her 
> > daughter. Social pressure, whatever, any reason IMO.
> 
> Pippin:
> Then I think you might be missing the whole point of someone
> who has links to Amnesty International on her website. We 
> wouldn't need civil rights if we were all like Harry. But in the
> real world, if those rights aren't defended, anyone, any
> ordinary person, might succumb to those pressures, IMO.

Alla:

Eh, what? What do civil rights have to do with discussing what that 
means that JKR IMO expressed unconditional liking for the character?

How is that relevant? Are you trying to find the qualifier for her 
liking? Sorry, all that I get from her interviews is that she likes 
him, period.

And as to me missing the point, well, that could be of course. You 
seem to be saying that JKR would want the character who in your 
interpretation killed his good friend, killed innocent kid, I mean, 
in your cannon Lupin did kill Cedric, right, masquerading as second 
Wormtail? You seem to be saying that JKR would want this character 
to teach her child.

I think you are missing JKR's point in the major way, lol, but of 
course only book 7 will say who is missing what.

That point being author expressing liking the character so much that 
he can teach her kid, IMO.


Pippin: 
> That is why Dumbledore says it's such a wonder that Harry hasn't. 
> He's unusual.  He's not only virtuous, he's *lucky*. If he was the 
> standard, then there probably wouldn't be anyone available to 
> teach  JKR's daughter, because people like that are *rare*. Do
> you think Jessica's teachers in real life are all saints or 
something?
> <g>

Alla:

I think it is a safe guess Pippin that none of her teachers serve 
evil overlord or even killed anybody, but I can be wrong <g>


Pippin: 
> JKR gave Lupin the teaching skills and the style that she admires,
> *that*'s why she would like him to teach her daughter, IMO.
> And where could that happen, except in our world? I'm sure 
> JKR is not wishing her daughter were fictional!

Alla:

See, I was brought up that teacher should try not only teach the 
subject, but also try to teach the kids be good human beings. Sure, 
my school system was in the communist state, but I was lucky to met 
plenty teachers like that, so I do not think that I am romanticising 
profession or anything. I met bad teachers too obviously.

I believe that JKR holds the view ( no, I do not know that) that bad 
person - a killer, a traitor should not be near kids. I believe that 
she thinks that teacher should be good person too.

We shall see whether I am right or not :)

JMO,

Alla