Dumbledore the Godfather - Elder Wand

[jastrangfeld]

No: HPFGUIDX 174035

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "jastrangfeld"
<julie.strangfeld at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> >
> > ---  "pair_0_docks" <pair_0_docks@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>Carol:
> > > >> <snip>
> > > >> DD had tried to disable the Elder Wand via Snape
> > > >> so that LV couldn't use it against Harry (or 
> > > >> anyone). << <snip>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > pair_0_docks:
> > > 
> > > I'm still confused...so had Snape disarmed/killed DD
> > > on his orders the E. Wand wouldn't have worked? Why 
> > > wouldn't Voldy have just then still killed Snape 
> > > under the theory that he was the Master of the
> > > Wand and been right?
> > > 
> > > How could DD not have seen that he was ultimately 
> > > putting a bulls-eye on Snape?
> > > 
> > > pair_0_docks
> > >
> > 
> > bboyminn:
> > snip
> > 
> > If Snape is in control of the Elder Wand, and Voldemort
> > still knows nothing about it, then Dumbledore can
> > be reasonably assured the wand will never be used against
> > Harry.
> > 
> > snip
> > So, I think the plan was for Snape to say he didn't 
> > know what happened to the wand. 
> 
> 
> ACTUALLY - Dumbledore is allowing Snape to kill him, thus giving
> permission, therefore never losing control of the wand.  If all had
> gone according to plan, Dumbledore would have been the last master of
> the wand, as Snape would not be master as he had permission to kill
> Dumbledore, therefore, not taking the wand by force.
> 
> My understanding is the wand has to be taken without the owner's
> permission.
> 
> Julie
>


I'm so sorry, I forgot to reference myself!

DH US version p721
"If you planned your death with Snape, you meant him to end up with
the Elder Wand, didn't you?"  
"I admit that was my intention," said Dumbledore, "but it did not work
as I intended, did it?"
"No," said Harry.  "That bit didn't work out."

DH US version p742
"You still don't get it, Riddle, do you?  Possessing the wand isn't
enough!  Holding it, using it, doesn't make it really yours.  Didn't
you listen to Ollivander?  The wand chooses the wizard....The Elder
Wand recognized a new master before Dumbledore died, someone who never
even laid a hand on it.  The new master removed the wand from
Dumbledore AGAINST HIS WILL, never realizing exactly what he had done,
or tha thte world's most dangerous wand had given him its allegiance..."

emphasis mine.

Now, I know on p741 of DH US version, Voldemort states that Dumbledore
meant for Snape to be the true master of the wand.  But he isn't
taking into account that Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him (even
though Harry just explained so on p740 of DH US version)


Julie