Slytherins in love Was: Wasted potential in Pettigrew

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No: HPFGUIDX 174119

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "npod4291" <npod4291 at ...> wrote:
> The way I see it, Snape's love for Lily is love in its purest form.
> Let me explain to those with the shocked faces.
> 
> It is clear that Snape loved Lily from a very young age.  Likewise,
> it is clear that, because of some Snape's choice in friends and
> the "Mudblood" incident, Lily will never be able to return that
> love.  IMO, Snape accepts this, but continues to love her.  If this
> were not the case, he would actively been pursuing her after
> the "Mudblood" incident, which it isn't canon that he doesn't, but I
> think we can assume.

Alla:

Given the fact that he was ready to sleep near Gryffindor dorms, no I 
cannot assume that he would not have pursued her. I mean, maybe yes, 
maybe no in my opinion.


npod4291:
 He doesn't want her to be spared from Voldemort
> because he plans to pursue her.  Like I said, I believe he had
> already accepted that because of his previous choices, it would
> never happen for the two of them.   He asks that she be spared,
> because he wants her to live and be happy, even if its not with him.

Alla:

So, whom does he think she would be alive and happy with, if he does 
not ask to spare her husband and son? 

npod4291:
> The reason he only asks for her to be spared, IMO, is because asking
> Voldemort to not kill Harry when he was intent on doing so would
> have been as good as suicide.  

Alla:

If Snape had any sort of love for Lily at that point in time that I 
would call pure, then yeah, suicide or not, I think he would have 
tried to save her loved ones, who if I may were in danger **because 
of him** in the first place. IMO.

npod4291:
Instead he asks DD to help protect
> all three, even his most hated rival James, because they made Lily
> happy.


Alla:
He comes to Dumbledore after he bargained with Voldemort for Lily's 
life and **still** asking him to protect Lily only.

It is only till Dumbledore rather directly tells him that he disgusts 
him AND that boy has Lily's eyes Snape agrees to protect him.

So I just do not see where he asked to protect James of his own 
initiative and yeah, if he truly loved Lily, I believe that no matter 
how much he hated James, he **owed** it to her to protect them.


npod4291:
 
> IMO, pure love is a love that is shown when the happiness of the
> loved is much more important to the lover than his/her own
> happiness.  Snape shows this, from his fifth year on, that he
> continues to love her, even though he knows he will have the
> happiness that comes from being with her.  He even accepts that
> James, the person he hates above all others aside from maybe Sirius,
> makes her happy, and thus wishes to protect him as well.  I wouldn't
> call this obsessive, as that has a negative connotation to it.  Is
> it something that he thought about all the time?  I believe so, but
> not to the point of being able to think of nothing else, which is
> what I take obsessive to mean.

Alla:

Where do we see that he accepts that James makes her happy in canon? 

And yes I agree that happiness of the loved one is much more 
important in the true love.

Snape's loved one  and her husband are dead because of him ( and 
Voldemort of course) and her kid had to endure Snape's hatred for 
years. Although Snape was protecting his life, because he is "Lily's 
son", but it just does not cut for me to show Snape's pure love.

To do what he did to the child of the woman he loved? Um, no.


Sure, he loved her and did good things because of love for her or was 
it because of his guilt?

But I would not call it pure love, at the very least with very strong 
obsessive undertones IMO.

Alla