Harry using Crucio.

[sneeboy2]

No: HPFGUIDX 174299

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...>
wrote:
>
> "sneeboy2" <sneeboy2@> wrote:
> 
> > My beef is with the author, not the
> > fictional hero. She has spent a good
> > bit of ink establishing that the 
> > "unforgivable" curses are just that,
> > that only the bad guys use them, 
> 
>Eggplant107:
 Well that is certainly untrue, Harry first used an Unforgivable way
> back in book 5, and I don't believe JKR meant for her readers to think
> of Harry as a bad guy since then. I think the confusion comes from the
> name, but who do you think gave those 3 curses their unflattering
> name? The, oh so very moral, holier than thou, Ministry of Magic.
> 

Sneeboy2:
I may be at my limit for posts today, but here goes: Both times Harry
tries to use UCs, it appears to be a mistake he makes out of anger;
it's at the very least a tactical error. They don't work. I had
thought that, as he matured, he would stop making the mistake.
Instead, JKR gave us a different sort of character development: his
failure was only because he wasn't feeling it enough. ("Use your
anger, Harry!") Perhaps you see this as a good development. I don't. 


Sneeboy2:
> > she inserts a scene that indicates that,
> > under some circumstances, using an 
> > unforgivable is OK, even gallant. 
> 
Eggplant107:
> I would imagine she did that because under some circumstances, using
> an unforgivable is OK, even gallant; ESESPECIALY IN A WAR! For the
> last several years you've endured horrible pain, both physical and
> emotional, you've watched good friends and good people get murdered
> and tortured right in front of your eyes, and you've escaped death
> yourself by an inch on a dozens of occasions . And now you're supposed
> to get all squeamish about inflicting pain on a moral monster? I don't
> believe it is realistic for a flesh and blood human being to act like
> that; although such behavior is very common in Saturday morning
> cartoon heroes. The trouble is Harry is not a cartoon.     

Sneeboy2:
Are you trying to imply that my desire for the character to take the
moral high ground is childish? Perhaps you think that books or movies
that appeal to our base desires for revenge or frontier justice are
more grown-up or "realistic." No, Harry's not a cartoon. In this
scene, he's one of those comic books that pretend to be for "adults."
 Call him WAR!Harry. Strap a bandolier full of wands to his chest and
send him out to kill some VC, I mean, DE's. Or maybe DIRTY!Harry "They
killed his parents. They killed his mentor. They killed his owl. . . .
It's payback time!" 



> > Sneeboy2: Mrs. Weasley's "bitch" line, which felt
> > lifted right from "Aliens."
> 
> Eggplant107
I thought so too and I loved it, if you're going to steal then steal
> from the best. I hope they keep that line in movie 7.

Sneeboy2:
Sigh. 

> 
> > Sneeboy2:
The scene is very Hollywood
> 
> Eggplant107:
You almost make that sound like a bad thing. There are worse insults
> you could say to a writer than "When I read your books it's like there
> is a movie playing in my head". 
> 
Sneeboy2:
I suppose it would be too much to ask for there to be a book playing
my head.