Wands and other confusion about Deathly Hallows plotline

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 174333

--- "irenek90" <irenek90 at ...> wrote:
>
> ... in the end, there was a lot of confusion about the
> wand situation and also, the hallows almost seem like 
> a pointless diversion ...

bboyminn:

The Hallows were not a pointless diversion, they were 
there to force Harry to make a choice. Harry had to 
decide whether to empower himself with the power of
the Hallows, or to remain his modest under-trained self,
and struggle to weaken Voldemort. 

That is not as simple as it seems. How very few of us
could have made the choice that Harry did? Most would
opt for increase power when trying to overcome a 
powerful enemy. 

> questions/concerns:
> 
> 1. The blood of Harry in Voledemort was what saved 
> Harry in their first confrontation in the forest, so 
> the role of uniting the three hallows or the wand 
> issue never came into play.
> 

bboyminn:

Most who would have chosen the Hallows as their 
preferred path, would have thought that physically
bringing the three objects into their possession and
control would have given them immense power; and it
would have. Harry however, became Master of the objects
and therefore Master of Death by understanding that
only by using them in an unselfish way could you 
truly master them.


> 2. Also, if, for argument's sake, the drop of blood 
> was never a factor in keeping Harry alive, how could
> the wand kill Harry in the forest if he was its master? 
> ...


bboyminn:

It is not that the wand can't kill its Master, it's that
the wand will not fully obey its holder. 

As to the Blood, it, in this case, is acting in a fashion
similar to a Horcrux. NOTE: I said /similar to/ NOT the
/same as/. As long has a drop of Harry's protected blood
remains on earth, in this case in Voldemort, Harry 
doesn't /have/ to go 'ON'. Harry can 'go on' but he 
doesn't have to. 

This is what allowed him to come back fully formed and
alive, rather than forced his continued existance as 
Vapor!Harry. 


> 
> 3. If Harry's blood in Voldemort protected him from 
> death, then why does the "master of the wand" issue 
> even matter in the second confrontation in the Great 
> Hall?
>

bboyminn:

Harry is protected by his mother's blood, but that
does not mean he has a Unlimited ability to take AK
curses. He is not completely invulnerable to its 
effects; he is not invincible. So, there is always
a chance that one of the AK curses /will/ kill him. 

What matters is not that Harry is the Master of the
Wand, but that between Harry's sacrifice and Voldemort
NOT being the Master of the Wand, the wands effects 
are limited.

It has been set up several times in the books that
spell can collide in mid-air and cause unusually 
effects. The first time we see this, is in the 
duel between Draco and Harry outside the Potions
Classroom. Harry and Draco curse at the same time,
their curses collide, and rebound onto innocent by-
standers; Crabbe (or Goyle) and Hermione. 

That set the stage for Voldemort and Harry's curse
to collide later in the book and instigate the
Brother Wand/Twin Cores effect.

In the final duel between Harry and Voldemort, the
curses collide again, and that collision PLUS the
'Master of the Wand' and the Blood Protection 
combine to rebound the AK curse on Voldemort, and
send that Wand into Harry hand.

It is possible that Harry has discovered a shield 
that can be used against the AK curse, but it is
an extremely difficult and unlikely shield. If you
cast a curse at exactly the same time as the AK
curse is cast against you, and those curse collide
head-on, you might be able to deflect the on-coming
Death Curse, but from a practical stand point, what
are the odds of that happening? It is an extremely
precise set of circumstances.  So, while Harry may
have discovered a flaw in the invulnerability of the
AK curse, it is such a fine and technical flaw as to
be of little use to anyone by the extremely lucky.

Note, that Harry can feel Voldemort's curse coming.
That is, he can sense Voldemort's mind and know
precisely when the AK is coming, and can send a 
precisely timed counter to it.

My point is, that Harry winning that final battle is
not all about 'Master of the Wand' and 'Blood 
Protection', it is a complex combination of many
diverse things. 

Steve/bboyminn