[HPforGrownups] Re: Unforgivables - from a different angle

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 174457

>  > Leah:
>  <snip>
>  Crucio is a spell which, properly used, causes extreme pain in the
>  victim. There is no purpose in casting Crucio other than in causing
>  extreme pain. If you use Crucio you must intend to intend to cause
>  them pain. I can't think of a reason for using Crucio other than for
>  the intent to cause pain when other spells such as Stupefy etc etc
>  exist.
>
>  Mike:
>  After Narcissa lied to Voldemort and said Harry was dead, what did
>  Voldemort do? He hit Harry with several Crucios. Harry said LV did it
>  to subject his body to humiliation. And though Harry was actually
>  alive, he felt little pain. He was also lifted off the ground by
>  these Crucios.
>
>  It seems that Voldemort's intent mattered as to how these Crucios
>  manifested themselves, similiar to what Harry's intent up in the
>  Ravenclaw Tower did to Carrow. Not exact because their intents were
>  not the same, but similiar. Would one argue that Voldemort does not
>  know how to properly use a Crutiatus Curse? Or is it possible that
>  one can use the same curse for different intents, to achieve
>  different outcomes?

Kemper now:
I don't the Cruciatus Curse worked properly on Harry because
Voldemort's wand, the Elder Wand, was rightfully the person Voldemort
was Crucio-ing.  If I understand wand-lore and the Elder Wand's lore,
then Voldemort's use of the wand is lacking a connection.  Yes,
Voldemort is a powerful wizard and has used Lucius wand to kill the
Muggle Studies professor, but the Elder Wand's effectiveness seems to
be determined by other magic than normal wands.  Not sure if that
other magic is Ancient (Death) or different (Elder Twig).

Even if Voldemort used the wand effectively, I can't see him
considering whether he's using the curse appropriately or not.  That
would be out-of-character for him.

Like Harry using an Unforgivable. ;)

Kemper