Harry, Voldemort & the Horcrux at Godric's Hollow

[esmith222002]

No: HPFGUIDX 174710

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Brothergib wrote:
> >
> > I think I'm right in stating that DD felt that LV wanted to use
> Harry's death to make his final Horcrux. The suggestion from JKR's
> latest interview is that the Horcrux must be created as soon as the
> person is killed that facilitates the soul splitting. Therefore, 
what
> object did he intend to convert into a Horcrux that night at 
Godric's
> hollow - and is it still there? The only thing I can think of is 
his wand.
> 
> Carol responds:
> 
> As far as I can see, especially after JKR's chat transcript (which
> states that he used the murder of an Albanian peasant for the
> Ravenclaw diadem and Bertha Jorkins for Nagini), Dumbledore is
> mistaken on this particular point. Voldemort does not reserve
> Horcrux-making for important murders, or the other way around. The
> most recent murder will do. It's the Horcrux itself that counts. 
Maybe
> he even murdered Myrtle to make the diary Horcrux.

Brothergib:
I think you could argue the case either way. Yes he did use a peasant 
and a tramp to make a couple of Horcruxes. However, he also 
specifically hunted down his father to make one of his Horcruxes, and 
also used Hepzibah for another. I think the creation of the Nagini 
horcrux was a sign that LV was panicking. He had convinced himself 
that a 7 piece soul was most magically powerful, but had attempted to 
kill Harry while it was still only in six pieces. As soon as he was 
able to use a wand after that night, he created his final Horcrux 
from the one thing he had to hand. And one other point - I still 
don't see how Myrtle could be used to create a Horcrux, since it was 
the basilisk that killed her. Yes, I understand that Riddle was 
controlling it, but that seems rather weak to me!

As for DD being mistaken, I was convinced after HBP, that DD had made 
a mistake somewhere along the line - maybe that Nagini wasn't 
actually a Horcrux. However, DH proved that DD was absolutely spot 
on! Therefore, I now find it difficult to believe that he was 
mistaken about Godric's Hollow. It is possible that he may have been, 
but I think the evidence argues against it!

Carol again;
> 
> His motive in going to Godric's Hollow, however, was not to make a
> Horcrux. Both Dumbledore and Harry suspect that he wanted to use the
> Sword of Gryffindor, but he had not obtained it as of Godric's 
Hollow.
> (My theory is that his next murder, after killing Harry, would have
> been Dumbledore, killed to make the Sword his last Horcrux.)
> 
> But his sole objective in going to Godric's Hollow, as we see in
> "Bathilda's Secret," is to kill Harry Potter and thwart the 
Prophecy.
> 
> "He pointed the wand very carefully into the boy's face. He wanted 
to
> see it happen, the destruction of this one, inexplicable danger" (DH
> Am. ed. 345).

Brothergib again;
Again, I'm not sure that proves that he wasn't intending to make a 
Horcrux after the event. But I agree that the lure of Gryffindor's 
sword must have been great.

<SNIP> 
> Carol, who thinks that if Voldie had brought an object to be made 
into
> a Horcrux, the soul bit would have entered it rather than Harry's as
> yet unsealed scar
>

Brothergib - who thinks that the bit of soul that broke off had never 
been intended as a Horcrux and therefore no spell had been cast upon 
it. As a result there is no reason why it would enter any object that 
may have been brought as a 'soul container'!