Requiescat in Pace: Unforgivables

[Angel Lima]

No: HPFGUIDX 174800

Carol:
> I see various motifs ("themes," as most readers would call them) 
> that we can examine, among them, love, death and the afterlife, 
> Harry as Seeker (what, besides Horcruxes, is he seeking?), truth, 
> redemption, forgiveness, self-sacrifice, hope vs. despair, 
> overcoming doubts and self-doubt in particular. 

Angel

Harrahs was seeking the baddies of course so we could have a 
cleancut clearly defined line between brave ye Gryffs and evil 
yo Slyths.

Love... you mean that potion Sluggy whipped up?  Sign me up for 
some of that!!!


lizzyben:

Based on the epilogue, it seems like it was intended to have a 
simple message of good brave Gryfindors beat the bad guys. Is
that worth a series? These novels do not seem Christian to me, 
in the sense of embracing tolerance, forgiveness, non-judgment 
etc. 

Angel:

Whaddya know, we were reading the same book!

Lizzy:

It seems like Harry's voluntary embrace of death was meant to be 
a courageous act of self-sacrifice, dying for our sins, redeeming 
the Wizarding World. But the problem is, dying is not a struggle 
for Harry - it's what he's been trained to do.

Angel:

When Hermione exclaimed in the Seven Potters chapter that Harry 
had really bad eyesight, she wasn't kidding was she?  My problem 
with his sacrifice is not even submitting to Dumbledore...I think 
I may have found something Christian in that, it's his myopia that 
irks me to no end now!  Harry only had one goal - to thwart the 
pathetic villain that was Voldemort.  Beyond that...well err he 
liked Ginny!


Carol:
Obviously, JKR did not approve of either Crouch or Fudge (or 
Scrimgeour, who at least dies bravely defying the DEs offpage)...

Angel:

You know I'm beginning to wonder about what was so vile about 
Scrimmy!  He wanted to use Harry to boost the morale of the 
people and Dumbledore wanted to use Harry to.. oh yeah thwart 
Voldemort.  It's only okay to use Harry when you're a good guy! 
The question of Stan Shunpike's innocence also warbled. As 
innocent as those still plugged into the Matrix are of the 
agents infiltrating them (cough) Stan's reaction at seeing 
Harry defies one who is stupefied or imperiod does it not? 
To go from blank stare to shout of recognition and pinpointing 
really did sound like the real Stan.


lizzyben:

Despite all the talk about house elves & goblin rights, it 
doesn't seem like oppressed groups have gained rights, the 
house rivalries are just as strong, and the heroes have settled 
into comfortable middle-class complaceny. 

Angel:

How wrong you are Lizzy! Did you not read Kreacher's chapter? 
He was LIBERATED I tell you!  Did you honestly not see him bow 
and cook and scuttle and nurse over the trio?  That's what 
liberation is!  Free to serve!!! <g>


Carol:
(Clearly, JKR wasn't thinking about the improbability of the 
letter being there. She needed it as a plot device. 

Angel:

Dear Carol, the purpose of the letter was to vivify the fact 
that Severus was after all snivellus!!!  How else could we get 
it into our heads he didn't care about Harry than to rip him, 
his dad, his broom off from his mom AFTER he accidentally lobs 
his earlobe off? The image Snape sticky-tapes to his chest so 
he could die with her where once a heart dwelled! That's lourrve 
Rowling style baby! 

Angel who apologises profusely for indulging in way too much 
chocolate before partaking in this conversation but having way 
too much fun to retract her asinine comments :)