Molly's "revenge" Re: Requiescat in Pace: Unforgivables

[guzuguzu]

No: HPFGUIDX 174870

guzu:

> > guzu wrote: 
> > It's not "any particular skill"-- it's battling a violently insane
> > murderer. I don't believe it is offensive to assume a housewife 
does not have the skills of a trained warrior or assassin; nor 
offensive to assume Molly in particular has no experience dueling or 
using real violence at all. 

> va32h:
 
> Because only trained warriors and assasins can kill anybody? I'm 
> neither, but I know how to shoot a gun, and I expect that if a 
> violently insane murderer burst into my home and tried to kill my 
> children, I'd summon up the nerve to use it. 

guzu: 

Of course you would, even, I'm sure, if they were't your kids, as 
would many other people, even non-parents. However, if there were 
hundreds of people in your house would you want them to stand around 
and watch as you single-handedly tried to shoot the murderer down? 
Would you *expect* them to stand there? Instead of putting yourself 
in the position of Molly, put yourself in the position of Ginny. 
Would you stand there while a murderer went after your mother? 

> Why do you assume Molly has no experience duelling? She went to 
> Hogwarts, she would have taken the same Defense Against the Dark 
Arts classes that Hermione, Luna, and Ginny took. If you can believe 
that three female students can successfully duel Bellatrix, why do 
you assume that Molly can't?

guzu: Actually, they didn't learn dueling in class, they learned it 
in Harry's DA club. But for argument's sake let's say Molly was in a 
dueling club at school-- that was how many years ago? If there had 
been one mention ever in the books of Molly and dueling, I would say 
you might have a point, but there isn't. And since you mentioned it, 
I think it *is* a bit silly that a bunch of kids successfully dueled 
the Death Eaters when we are repeatedly shown that aurors (an elite 
team of warriors) were easily overwhelmed by them (the Longbottoms, 
Scrimgeour, Tonks, Moody, Dawlish, etc). And I am not making any 
distinction between males and females in battle (I am female, by the 
way). And I believe it is silly that hundreds of people were standing 
around, not helping at all.  
 
va32h: 

> And whether you believe you were offensive or not - you sure as  
heck offended me. 
 
> va32h, a housewife perfectly capable of kicking ass and taking 
names  should the occasion call for it.

guzu: 

At the risk of offending you again, let me ask you to clarify your 
position. Are you saying that it is offensive to assume that a 
housewife (or a househusband or a lawyer or a baker or a candlestick 
maker of either gender) would not be as skilled in battle as a 
soldier or a policeman? That in a battle with a psycho killer a 
person (male or female) with little to no experience in battle would 
have the same probability of success as someone with experience and 
training? Do you think the hundreds of people watching Bellatrix and 
Molly duel should have assumed that Molly would win? If that's true 
for you, then we must agree to disagree here.