Molly's "revenge" Re: Requiescat in Pace: Unforgivables

[Lisa]

No: HPFGUIDX 174878

guzu:

> I get your point. Perhaps I would have found the Molly-Bella duel 
> more believable had Tonks (a trained auror) not been so completely 
> useless for the past two books. I do not like the idea that Molly 
> (someone with no warrior experience or training that we know of) 
> succeeded where all the trained warriors failed. Mommy!Tonks 
killing 
> Bella would have made more logical sense to me (though I know 
Rowling 
> wanted Tonks dead so she could have lil' orphan Teddy -- I figured 
it 
> out in the first chapter of DH). And technically, Tonks died while 
> checking to see if Lupin was okay-- that's all she talked about. 
She 
> never said one word about fighting or ridding the world of evil. 

Lisa:

I wasn't fond of the portrayal of blinded-by-love Tonks, either -- 
but do you honestly believe that Tonks was just popping in to check 
on her dear hubby??  You seriously don't think that she was fighting 
alongside him?  I think Tonks would've been helping Lupin and doing 
all she could to ensure his safety.  And just to clarify, "I" never 
said one word about Tonks ridding the world of evil -- I said that's 
why Lupin was there, and she went to help him.

> guzu: 
> 
> Well, it was in character for Molly, yes, I should have wrote that 
> clearer. I don't think it's in character for hundreds of people, 
> including Harry and Ginny, to stand around and watch this duel and 
do 
> nothing to help. Why would they assume that Molly would win when 
> Bella has been killing people left and right? 

Lisa:

I believe that was explained, too.  Through Harry's eyes, we see that 
as the duelers (Bella & Molly and Voldie and the gang fighting him) 
fight, they are flying about, and to aim a spell in the direction of 
the duelers would be to place "the good guys" in danger of being 
hit.  

> guzu:
> 
> That is exactly what I meant by "mother love conquers all." Molly 
> single-handedly succeeded where many trained aurors and experienced 
> duelers had failed. 

Lisa:

And when I was 19, I won a contest in which I was a complete, 
inexperienced newbie, against people who had been competing and 
winning for years. Sometimes it happens.

guzu:

Since there has never been one mention of Molly 
> being particularly talented (unlike Ginny or Herminone, who we've 
> heard are unusually strong) or even going on missions for the 
Order, 
> the only good explanation for this is the "super-mother-magic" 
thing.

Lisa:

Why?  We haven't been told a LOT of things about a LOT of 
characters.  I think it's silly to say that if we haven't been 
specifically told someone is "particularly talented," then they 
simply aren't.  And like I said before, it wasn't personal for any of 
the other aurors or policemen and soldiers you seem to have 
discovered -- but it was for Molly.  

And frankly, now I think you're being purposely snide about 
your "super-mother-magic" comments, as you have been told that they 
are offensive, yet you continue to make them.  The grand majority of 
this list is beyond that sort of continual thing.

guzu:
 
> If Molly had used intelligence or ingenuity (as per Hermione), 
> instead of straight-out might to win, I might have bought it more 
> easily.
>

Lisa:

Oh, my, how on earth could stupid little housewife Molly conjure up 
any intellignce or ingenuity?  All she's fit for is household 
cleaning spells, and she's apparently not good at those, either, 
since Fleur's mother came in and cleaned up the house in a jiffy.  
Poor Molly -- what a waste of wizarding breathing space.

Lisa, who is DONE with this topic, as there is no point in trying to 
convince anyone who obviously thinks little of stay-at-home-mothers 
that said stay-at-home-mothers have any intelligence, ingenuity or 
talent whatsoever -- although my previous employers would take issue 
with that concept.