Aberforth and Albus too.

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 174957

> Hickengruendler:
> 
> This is why I said, it was not Dumbledore, who made Harry into a 
marked 
> man, it was Voldemort. Dumbledore was the one, who had to deal with 
the 
> situation. I don't know, when Dumbledore found out, that Harry was 
a 
> Horcrux, my guess is around "Chamber of Secrets", when he suspected 
the 
> diary to be one, (surely it must have been prior to Voldemort's 
> rebirth, otherwise the gleam of triumph makes no sense), but I 
don't 
> think he was raising Harry to die. He might have thought, that it 
could 
> happen one day, but he tried his best not to think about it. And 
prior 
> to Voldemort's rebirth, it was still a very abstract situation. 
> Dumbledore might have believed, that Voldemort would return some 
day, 
> but there was the still the glimmer of hope, that it might not 
happen. 
> And the moment Voldie did return, a possible way out was presented 
to 
> Dumbledore. 
> 
> IMO, Dumbledore was just a man, who had to deal with a situation, 
that 
> Voldemort created, and it was not an easy one. Should he have told 
> Harry earlier, when the boy had just found happiness in his life? 
(And 
> yes, I realise, that the fact that Harry wasn't happy for 10 years 
was 
> to a big part Dumbledore's fault, but I'm only talking about the 
> Horcrux situation right now. ;-) ) I know he seems incredibily cold 
in 
> that particular scene in the Pensieve, but at this point he already 
> knew (or suspected), that Harry would live. His behaviour was much 
more 
> about Snape than it was about Harry, here.
> 


Alla:

Well, of course Dumbledore did not mark Harry, thanks Goodness :)

Part of the reason why I was not shocked by Dumbledore's 
manipulativeness is because the theories I read here took him to much 
greater extent of manipulativeness than I could ever swallowed and I 
was sort of prepared for that. No, NOT expected or was right, but was 
prepared  in a sense that I had this theory in my mind, just as I was 
absolutely wrong about DD!M Snape, but totally was not **shocked**, 
you know? We talked about it for so long, etc) and since the book did 
not make DD to engineer the prophecy or do something like that, I was 
like Oh he only did those things, heeh.

So, of course Dumbledore did nothing to contribute to make Harry's 
life initially the Life of marked one. Snape and Vodlemort did. It is 
their sin NOT Dumbledore's.

Nevertheless I still do not like Dumbledore's  many actions in 
dealing with Harry's life, you know?

Another reason why I was not shocked is because I always saw those 
actions as bad, it is just I kept telling myself that Dumbledore is 
not doing it for the reasons of being master manipulator. He is doing 
it for other reasons. He is a good man who would never sacrifice a 
child to be a weapon, I was telling myself, ever.

And even though he went against those child's parents wishes and took 
him away from his Godfather, well he was concerned with his child's 
life, for the sake of this child's life.

And even though he brought him to the relatives to suffer and never 
ever checked on him, it just cannot be that he was concerned about 
his plam first and foremost.

Well, no more. I believe that before Harry came to school, Dumbledore 
did not give a flying fig about him as a person. I believe that his 
plan is the only thing why Dumbledore wanted to keep Harry's alive.

BUT I also believe that when Harry came to school, Dumbledore indeed 
fall for him and grew to love him and that indeed interfered with his 
plans.

The fact that Dumbledore grew to love Harry AND that he asked for 
forgiveness is to me Dumbledore's saving grace.

But as I said - I consider his actions towards baby Harry to be quite 
despicable.

I was not talking about that scene where he tells Snape that Harry 
has to die, I fully agree that by that time he knew.

I am just wondering whether it was a period in time, when Dumbledore 
coldly decided that Harry must die for the greater good and if he 
did, i wonder how long it lasted.

By the way, again, I am not talking about evil Dumbledore, I fully 
bellieve him that he realised that power is his temptation, etc, that 
he left his youthful views behind him.

BUT his manipulations made me wonder whether he fallen into 
exercising his power over innocent without even realising it.

Having said all that, I really do love Dumbledore. No matter how many 
bad things character does, if I see him asking for forgiveness, I can 
forgive a lot.

Alla