Dumbledore and the slaughtered pig/ Malfoys

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No: HPFGUIDX 175039

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> 
wrote:
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I think Dumbledore only realized Harry
> could live in the King's Cross chapter, assuming that really was
> Dumbledore and not Harry's mind working out the last parts of the 
puzzle.
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>2) This debate will never be definitively resolved because there will
> never be a book 8, so if you want to believe Dumbledore was 
incapable
> of being so cold blooded you are welcome to do so; but I think my
> interpretation is more consistent with the books and perhaps even 
more
> important, is vastly more interesting.  


Alla:

Yes, this is one of the agree to disagree moments, but I am just 
curious. Are you discounting Dumbledore's gleam in GoF? You do not 
think that he guessed what he told Harry in Kings cross at that time?

Why? Am just curious as to your interpretation. Because I do think 
that this was when DD guessed and he did flat out lied to Snape IMO 
yes.
IMO of course.

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "prep0strus" <prep0strus at ...> 
wrote:
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> A fundamental change does seem to occur in Draco by the epilogue, 
but
> had Voldemorte won the big battle, I don't see him as in the small
> resistance in the WW, or even staying away.  I see him still trying 
to
> curry favor with the Dark Lord.
> 
> I feel for the Malfoys some, but not much.  These were not nice
> people.  And yet... their family survives unscathed.  As everyone 
else
> grieves, basically, they come out of it basically fine.  Perhaps the
> loss of Crabbe is enough to teach Draco a lesson.  Not that there's
> much use crying over spilt evil.

Alla:

I snipped rather arbitrarily, because I want to clarify something. I 
do **not** like Malfoys at all, I think Lucius belongs in Azkaban, I 
do not think it is fair in any way, shape or form that so many good 
guys fallen in the battle and Malfoys survived intact and I doubt 
they are going to be sent in Azkaban. I mean, war is not fair.

But having said all that, no I do not think that if Voldemort won 
Draco would have been there. Or at least I hope so.

I will be the first one to say that it is nowhere in Draco's 
character to show courage and openly defy Voldemort, BUT I sure hope 
that he tasted what it means for him and his family to be in 
Voldemort's employ and I do not think he would want HBP, round 2. 

Or again I hope so. As I said, I do not see him as courageous fighter 
at all, but I think he realized that Voldemort is not his cup of tea. 
Again, IMO.


Va32h:
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Or in the case of the Malfoys - you can look out for your own family
while working toward a larger goal of getting rid of the guy who is
giving your family such a hard time. I doubt the Malfoys really had a
grand plan to get rid of Voldemort - but I won't discount their
contribution towards that end, just because their motives weren't
entirely altruistic.


Alla:

I really like your post, whether I agree with everything you wrote or 
not, BUT what contribution did Lucius make? Like any?

Sure, Narcissa did, but her boys? I did not see any. As I said above, 
I will be the first one to say that Draco learned that he does not  
want to be DE, but I do not see them contributing.

> va32h: 
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> So Dumbledore needs to make 
> sure that whatever memory Snape has in his head is completely 
accurate 
> as far as Snape is concerned, and yet exactly what Dumbledore 
wishes 
> Harry to believe. And Dumbledore needs Harry to believe that Harry 
is 
> making a genuine sacrfice, with no possibility of returning. 

Alla:

Me too :)