[HPforGrownups] Harry enjoys causing pain? (was Re: Fly on the wall commentator)
Christine Maupin
keywestdaze at yahoo.com
Sat Aug 11 04:58:44 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 175092
Lisa:
But that's just it -- it's NOT the writings of JKR. JKR had Hary
unable to do the Unforgiveable Curses before because he didn't MEAN
them ("You have to MEAN them, Potter!"), not because he "never had
it in him." Once he MEANT them, he could do them. Some see that as an
inconsistency in canon -- but not I.
colebiancardi:
>OotP US hardcover edition p 843
>DD speaking
>"He did not know that you have 'power the Dark Lord knows not' --"
>"But I don't!" said Harry in a strangled voice. "I haven't any
>powers he hasn't got, I couldn't fight the way he did tonight, I can't
>possess people or -- or kill them --"
>earlier in the book:
>p 810
>Bellatrix:
>"Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy?" she yelled.
>She had abandoned her baby voice now. "You need to mean them,
>Potter! You need to really want to cause pain - to enjoy it -
>righteous anger won't hurt me for long"
>So, based on OotP, JKR's writings WERE pointing, imho, to the fact
>that Harry would never, ever cast an Unforgivable Curse because *he
>didn't have it in him* - he would *never* want to cause pain and enjoy
>the pain on those that he inflicted it upon.
>Of course, DH's changed all that. Obviously, Harry enjoys giving pain
>something that is distressing.
I take exception to the blanket comment that Harry enjoys giving pain.
In Chapter 30, The Sacking of Severus Snape, when Snape confronts McGonagall in the corridor, and Harry and Luna are hidden under the Invisibility Cloak, "Hatred boiled up in Harry at the sight of him..." (p. 597)
This occurs four pages after Harry used the Cruciatus Curse on Carrow. If Harry <i>enjoys</i> causing pain, I'm confident he would have raised his wand beneath his Invisibility Cloak and used the curse against this man who he hates so much. He doesn't do that though and he has the perfect opportunity...which proves to me that his earlier use of the curse was an isolated incident, a momentary lapse in judgment, an extreme reaction to the "straw that break the camel's back." Yes, he meant it when he used the curse on Carrow, and yes he meant it to punish; however, we do not see him use it again, even in a situation when we should expect him to if it were to become a habit, if he enjoyed causing pain. He knows he can successfully cast the spell, and chooses not to...In Harry's case, Its a far leap from meaning it to enjoying it.
Christy
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