good and bad slytherins/Disappointment and Responsibility

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No: HPFGUIDX 175164

> Debbie:
> We are all drawing inferences from the text.  There is no direct 
evidence
> either way.  However, there's nothing to indicate that Sirius *was*
> motivated by principle in his rejection of Slytherin.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Hi Debbie. You know how much I enjoy your posts and very often even 
if not convinced I appreciated the beauty of your arguments and 
always will be. This post is a little bit too different and I 
disagree with it too much, so I just wanted to reply to couple 
points.

I think everything in what we know screams that Sirius hated his 
family ( his poster in his room even), I do not see how his hatred 
could only develop in sixteen, speculating of course, but it just 
seems that sixteen was the breaking point, not the start.

Therefore it seems to ne that he would chose the House his family 
hates the most.

But that is just me obviously.


 
>  Lanval:
> And please, just because James gets on Severus, and appears to be a
> bit of a spoiled brat, in no way means that he was less-than-
> loveable to the rest of the world.
> 
> Debbie:
> Actually, this is part of my problem.  I don't find either one to 
be
> loveable, as 11-year-olds, as 15-year-olds, or as 21-year-olds.  
The Lily
> who wrote the letter to Sirius from Godric's Hollow sounds as 
though she's
> been corrupted by James and Sirius (with its airy tone and 
unnecessary dig
> at Petunia).   <SNIP of the whole post basically>


Alla:

This is the point I wanted to ask you about. Lily, **corrupted** by 
James and Sirius? Could Lily be corrupted by anybody? I mean, 
obviously we cannot debate perceptions and I am not trying to. You 
do not find them loveable, I do ( with many flaws of course). But do 
we have any evidence that Lily can fall under anybody's influence 
without thinking for herself?


I mean, this is Lily who would not go out with James till he 
deflated his head and it was in seventh year only. This is Lily who 
would break many years childhood friendship, because she is sick of 
him calling everybody of her birth mudblood.

IMO, if Lily did not find person to be worthy, she would not love or 
like him as lover or friend.


Maybe she just started genuinely love Sirius as friend?

JMO,

Alla