good and bad slytherins/Disappointment and Responsibility/Sirius' choice

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No: HPFGUIDX 175192

> > Debbie:
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> > We are all drawing inferences from the text.  There is no direct 
> evidence
> > either way.  However, there's nothing to indicate that Sirius 
*was*
> > motivated by principle in his rejection of Slytherin.
> > 
> 
> Lanval:
> I don't think any of us here are arguing that we're dealing with 
> fixed principles in this scene; I know I'm not. More likely 
> disillusion, perhaps fostered by a childhood as unhappy as 
Snape's. 
> We don't know when Sirius' parents began to disapprove of their 
son 
> and favor their second-born.
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Alla:

Right, I think may be a good place to clarify what I am arguing for. 
Apologies to those for whom I will sound as a parrot, but as I 
realised from offlist I may not be as clear as I hoped.

NO, I doubt that Sirius wanted to go to Gryffindor based on 
principle at that point as well. What I think he chose by that time 
is **Not Slytherin**, not *Slytherin*, based on his lovely family 
loving Slytherin and his values and his lovely relationship with his 
family.

As Lanval says, we do not know when it started and based on Sirius' 
mom portrait and yes, what Sirius told us about his family, I 
believe it started pretty early.

So, of course I do not know if Sirius already chose Gryffindor - he 
may, he may not - NOT because say like Ron his whole family was 
there and he knows that Mudblood is a horrible insult (Godric after 
all was champion for Muggleborns rights).

Sirius may have chose Gryffindor if his family hated this house 
specifically OR he may have just hoping to go into any house but 
Slytherin IMO.

Add to this as Magpie said that Sirius to me as well scteams 
Gryffindor through and through, and here you go - voula. IMO of 
course.

OR he absolutely could have made a final determination based on him 
liking James, except this still in my head would be secondary one, 
since I think that NOT Slytherin was in his mind already.


> 
> Lanval:
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>> I absolutely loved that letter. It proves once and for all that 
Lily 
> did not merely tolerate that nasty Sirius Black because he was her 
> husband's best friend, but loved him as a friend, as a fellow 
Order 
> member and fighter against LV, and as godfather to her son. 
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Alla:

I was very happy when I read that letter too. 


> carol responds:
> As I said in an earlier post, contempt for Muggles and contempt for
> Muggleborns are two different things. All we need to do to see the
> distinction, us vs. them, Magic vs. Muggles, is to look at the 
young
> *Dumbledore's* plans to rule Muggles for "the greater good."
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Alla:

Yes, and I believe that Snape had plenty of both. Him stopping 
himself when he answers Lily's question to me is an evidence of his 
comtempt for Muggleborns, just not for Lily. My view obviously.




Carol: 
> I doubt that Severus's mother, who married a Muggle, went around 
using
> the term "Mudblood" for Muggleborns. Nor do we ever see it "rolling
> off [Severus's] tongue" at that age or any other. He uses it once 
in
> all of canon, under great duress. We have Lily's word that he uses 
it
> for others than herself but we don't actually hear him use it. 
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Alla:

Lily's word is good enough for me to be convinced that he used it 
many times.

JMO,

Alla