Of Sorting and Snape
cubfanbudwoman
susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net
Tue Aug 14 13:06:09 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 175370
lizzyben:
> > I just meant that in the
> > "Prince's Tale" chapter, every one of Snape's childhood memories
> > shows him doing something "bad" - from the nine-year old
> > dropping a branch on Petunia, to insulting Muggles, to defending
> > future Death Eaters. It's one of the places where I could almost
> > here the Author's Voice in the background saying "See, see, he
> > was a bad kid from the get-go!"
zgirnius:
> I loved that about the memories, myself. My very favorite being
> the inclusion of Snape's first meeting with Dumbledore. Yeah, Sev,
> way to convince Harry you're a good guy - feature that scene where
> Dumbledore is disgusted with you because you could not care less
> about James and Harry.
>
> If Rowling intended the inclusion of the 'bad' elements to be a
> turn-off, she failed with me. The memories have a confessional
> sort of nature (they are far more information than Harry needs,
> and they tell the story of Snape's life, really). And that they do
> not show Snape in a completely perfect light makes them seem
> honest. Presumably those memories, warts and all, were chosen
> within the story *by Snape*, whatever reasons Rowling had for
> writing them.
SSSusan:
Wow. I hadn't even *noticed* that every one of the memories showed
Snape doing something 'bad.' So if JKR's intention was to say "See!
See!" and to forestall sympathy for Severus, it didn't work for me
that way either. In fact, I do NOT believe that was her intention
at all.
I felt quite similarly about the memories Snape chose & gave to
Harry as Zara did. To me, they were Truly. A. Gift. As you said,
Zara, they showed it ALL. They did provide more information than
Harry 'needed,' and yet Snape gave the whole picture. The whole
honest picture. Why?
I think, first, because he knew it would make it all more
understandable to Harry. Snape was giving Harry his most private
memories, allowing him to see himself in some very, very vulnerable
moments. Yeah, so he was dying and wouldn't have to see Harry
again, but it still took tremendous courage, imo, to give Harry that
*total* picture.
Doing so made the whole thing more powerful for Harry, I think...
made it much more likely that Harry wouldn't resist it, wouldn't
question Snape's version of things. If he had *not* included all
the past Lily stuff, all the way back to pre-Hogwarts, all the
student days stuff, but only gave Harry the conversations with DD,
would Harry have trusted and believed? He would have been stunned,
but I can imagine him having been confused and skeptical AND hanging
on to his typical pattern of responding to Snape or allegations
about Snape's loyalty.
With Snape giving Harry so much -- so much more than he 'had' to --
he gave Harry the full story, the truth, something that Harry had
been **craving** throughout the story. It's part of why Harry was
so angry with DD -- all those things DD did not share, did not show
or tell him about, the truth lacking parts of itself. But here was
Snape, of all people, giving Harry All Of It.
To me, it was a stunning moment, this gift of the full background,
this most difficult gift to give, revealing those things which had
been hidden from all to the person to whom it was most difficult to
allow to see. It was amazing.
Which would probably mean I could cross-post this in Potioncat's One
Moment thread. ;-)
Siriusly Snapey Susan
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