Is Harry Potter an Anti-Royalist Tract?

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 175724

---  "jlnbtr" <jlnbtr at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > > Career advisor:
> > > "I start with the fact that in HBP Hermione says 
> > > that (I'm paraphrasing): 'There are no wizarding 
> > > princes in Britain'. Which implies that there are 
> > > probably no noble wizards (and witches?) in the 
> > > wizarding world. And no student is mentioned
> > > as being 'noble' at Hogwarts."
> 
> > bboyminn:
> > 
> > Just because there are no Princes or Nobility OF
> > the wizarding world doesn't mean that there are no 
> > Princes or Nobility IN the wizarding world. 
> 
> > I think in the wizard world, the equivalent of 
> > aristocracy or nobility would be the continuation
> > of the ancient and wealthy wizarding families like
> > the Malfoys; good breeding and old money. I think 
> > those are the aspects that give a wizard status in
> > their society.
> 
> Juli now:
> CareerAdvisor, the phrase doesn't go like that 
> Hermione just says there are no "princes in the WW".
> There is royalty in the potterverse muggle world, 
> probably one or two (or a thousand) were wizards 
> (muggle born wizards), but just like Steve said, 
> their status is probably not recognised by the WW. 
> Ancient families like the Blacks, the Malfoys, the
> Pervells could be considered nobility, their 
> ancenstry goes back centuries. ...

bboyminn:

A few additional points -

SIR Patrick Delaney-Podmore - leader of the Headless
Hunt
SIR Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington - Gryffindor Ghost
SIR Cadogan - Knight in a Portrait

For these people to carry the title 'Sir' means that
they were inducted into some Royal Order. But, of
course, that would be a muggle Royal Order. 

Yet, the wizard world does recognize those title. They
accept that it is 'SIR Nicholas'. But being a 'Sir' or 
a Duke or a Count wouldn't carry any authority in the
wizard world. Just as a Count who came to England 
from Romania would still be recognized as a Count,
he wouldn't be recognized as a British Count.

So, the wizard world recognizes the existance of 
members of Royal Orders, those granted Royal
Titles, and those of Royal birth, but the wizard 
world itself grants none of these. 

This is just my long winded way of agreeing with 
Juli and expanding the conversation to include
Sir Nicholas. 

Steve/bboyminn