Snape's Request gave Harry a second chance? (Was: Snape/Dumbledore thingummy

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No: HPFGUIDX 175853

> > Alla:
> > <SNIP>
> > It does not look to me that Snape gives a fig about them dying, 
> > personally and he disgusts me in that scene just as much as 
> > Dumbledore.
> > 
> > And even when he asks to hide them all, he says to keep her safe.
> > 
> > 
> > I remember so many preDH arguments that Snape came to Dumbledore 
> > because he could not bear to see Voldemort killing the baby.
> > 
> > 
> > Looks like he could bear it quite well to me.
> > 
> 
> Mim:
> <SNIP>
> Like Dumbledore is some paragon if virtue himself and he should 
have 
> any business making moral judgments on others... 


Alla:

Oh, I don't know - I thought Dumbledore's judgment on Snape was spot 
on.


Mim: 
> And for the last time, yes, Snape didn't give a damn about James 
and 
> Harry. I know that, I'm ok with that as a Snapefan.


Alla:

Okay.


Mim:
 I don't know who 
> said that he turned because he couldn't bear the thought of a baby 
> dying. That's ridiculous. 

Alla:

Not you. But people speculated  AFAIR that Snape's conversion pretty 
much depended on the fact that Snape did not realise that baby would 
be killed as a result of Snape giving the prophecy and when it 
became too real for him, he felt all that remorse and came to 
Dumbledore.

Which was totally valid speculation of course at the time, nothing 
wrong with it. I am just amused that it turned out to be so opposite.

Mim:
If he couldn't bear the thought of a baby 
> dying he wouldn't have given the Prophecy to Voldemort in the 
first 
> place.
<SNIP>


Alla:

Yes indeed on that we agree completely.


> colebiancardi here:
> 
> uhhhh....I had written prior to DH's release and I don't believe 
that
> many people chimed in on it, that perhaps the reason why Snape 
turned
> was that he didn't *know* that the prophecy was intended for a
> harmless, unprotected baby.  <SNIP>

Alla:

Right, as I said I see nothing wrong with this theory, except that I 
think that it turning out incorrect shows Snape's moral code being 
not very , well moral at the time at least.
And hey, I was majorly wrong on Snape's loyalty :), we all were 
wrong on something.


> colebiancardi:
<SNIP>
 After DH's came out, I still believe that
> the LILY!Snape reason is trite and crud and ridiculous, but hey, 
that
> is just my opinion.

Alla:


Let me put it this way - the way it was done, I certainly do not 
give Snape's much respect for his deflection and his reasons. EWWWW.

BUT after reread I do see that he changed a bit over the time, sure 
and began to give a damn about saving people, not using the word 
mudblood, saving Lupin, etc.

But I do not see any ethical Snape, who initially turns at all and 
as I said I totally side with Dumbledore - Snape who came to him 
disgusts me a great deal.

But even somebody who still dislikes Snape's immensely, I do see him 
change **some** over the years, but not in regards to Harry, no way.

IMO of course.