Dumbledore Disgusted (was: Snape's Request gave Harry a second chance?)

lizzyben04 lizzyben04 at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 20 14:12:55 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 175875

> Mim:
> 
> Dumbledore didn't know exactly how the Prophecy would work but he 
> wanted Voldemort to act and go after that baby who had powers that 
> he didn't know. Otherwise he could have stopped Snape. It appears 
to 
> me that at that point Dumbledore had been running out of ideas so 
> the thought of this newborn saviour who the Dark Lord would mark 
as 
> his equal and who would have extraordinary powers, was actually 
> needed.
> 
> Perhaps the Potters were never meant to survive.
> 
> I've been going WTF ever since reading in HBP that Trelawney was 
> aware of Snape's interruption. I'll guess that even though in a 
> trance she retained some awareness of what was going on (doubtful) 
> or that someone later told her about what had happened.
>

lizzyben:

Yep. IMO, Dumbledore definitely let the prophecy go deliberately. 
The proof of this is in how he reacts to Snape when Snape returns to 
beg for Lily's life.

Snape waits, & DD appears - the first thing he says is "Well, 
Severus? What message does Lord Voldemort have for me?'

He already knows who Snape is, and knows that he works for 
Voldemort. Snape hasn't said a single word about being a DE yet - DD 
knew this already. He also knows Snape is the eavesdropper - does DD 
say "Oh noes, the eavesdropper was a Death Eater?!". No. He's calm, 
he's not surprised, he already knew Snape was a DE when Snape was 
caught outside the door. 

Snape says he has a request & DD says - "What request could a Death 
Eater make of me?" Further confirming DD knew Snape was a DE.
Snape mentions the prophecy & DD gets down to business: "Ah, yes,' 
said Dumbledore. `How much did you relay to Lord Voldemort?'"

This is very important. DD wanted to be sure that LV only receives 
the first half of the prophecy, so that he doesn't know that 
attacking the child will create a "Chosen One" w/special powers. 

Snape begs for him to protect Lily, & DD says "you disgust me". This 
is really the height of hypocrisy, since DD also didn't care about 
who might be killed when he let Snape relay the prophecy to LV. 

He also asks Snape for payment for protecting the Potters, implying 
his original plan involved allowing the attack to take place. And 
come on, after DH, can anyone say that this is something DD wouldn't 
do? 

Snape knows what he's dealing w/here, and promises DD "anything" if 
he protects the Potters. The contract is arranged - Snape's life for 
the Potters' protection.

Now DD has a problem - he can't let the Potters die w/o losing his 
valuable agent. Now, this is speculation, but I still think it's 
likely that DD orchestrated the attack - but it got more 
complicated, because he had to make sure the betrayal would be 
traced to a third party instead of him. He takes the Potters' 
invisibility cloak the very week that the attack occurs. After the 
attack, he seems to have a .. suspicious amount of knowledge of 
exactly how, when & why the attack occured. How did DD know when it 
happened, or what Lily did, or when to send Hagrid? It was a set-up, 
I tell you. But, he's made sure that his hands remain clean, so 
Snape never suspects anything - he keeps his double agent, gets a 
Chosen One, and gets rid of the parents & guardian that might have 
interfered w/his Plan. 

And he, of course, allows Snape to take all the guilt & blame for 
this occurance. DD totally does scapegoat Snape for his sins. And he 
totally does treat his followers as pawns & sacrifices in his 
Machievellian plans. One thing I did like about DH was the exposure 
of Puppetmaster!Dumbledore. Thank you, Rita Skeeter. :)


lizzyben





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