Holding Court With Voldemorte

[prep0strus]

No: HPFGUIDX 175907

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "kenneth9840" <kennclark at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Janette <jnferr@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > prep0strus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There's been some talk of Voldemorte's motivation to not kill 
> Lily
> > > > recently,
> > >
> > > Ken says:  Why, o why does anyone believe Voldemort was telling 
> the
> > > truth here?  All the books, especially Deathly Hallows is full of
> > > baddies promising to do something if only their opponents 
> will "drop
> > > their wands" or whatever without any intention of actually 
> fulfilling
> > > their 'promise/offer', so why on earth should anyone think that
> > > Voldemort was doing anything other than making a false offer to 
> Lily
> > > to get her out of the way so he could kill Harry, fully intending 
> to
> > > turnm on Lily and kill her too when he had done so.
> > >
> > > So many people tell lies in the Potterverse, for reasons good or 
> ill,
> > > such as Dumbledore telling Snape Harry had to die while knowing 
> full
> > > well that he was protected by his sharing of blood with Voldy. 
> Really
> > > we must look at people's motivation for saying what they say 
> rather
> > > than blithely accepting that if they say it they mean it.  A 
> little
> > > more critical analysis needed.
> > >
> > > Ken Clark
> > 
> > 
> > montims:
> > 
> > people believe he was telling the truth because JKR says that is 
> what
> > happened, and that Lily had a choice - that was what invoked the 
> ancient
> > magic after all.  Now it could be that what JKR says is no longer 
> treated as
> > canon, but Harry lived BECAUSE Lily didn't have to die. 
> 
> Ken says:
> 
> No one is saying Lily didnt believe she had a choice.  Its Voldemort 
> we are talking about.  The only choice he was really giving Lily was 
> to die either before or after her son.
> 
> Ken Clark
>


Prep0strus:

That's a possible interpretation; Voldemorte was cruel.  But I don't
think it shows any greater critical analysis.

"...and there she stood, the child in her arms.  At the sight of him,
she dropped her son into the crib behidn her and threw her arms wide,
as if this would help, as if in shielding him from sight she hoped to
be chosen instead...."

this, is from the perspective of Harry/Voldy - even HE gives thought
to the idea of being chosen instead.

"'Not Harry, not Harry, please not harry!'
'Stand aside, you silly girl... stand aside, now.'
'Not Harry, please no, take me, kill me instead-'
'This is my last warning-'
'Not Harry!   Please...havemercy....havemercy....Not harry! Not Harry!
Please - I'll do anything - '
'Stand aside. Stand aside, girl!'"

Three times he asks her to move.  Uses the phrase stand aside 4 times.
 Why?  If anything, Voldemorte was about expedience.  Kill, then kill
the kid.  If anything, just to shut her up.  Why does the kid need to
come first? No one is a threat in his mind, but if anyone would be, it
would be the mother.  Mow them down as they come - why push her aside,
just to get her afterwards?  What's the point?


'He could have forced her away from the crib, but it seemed more
prudent to finish them all....

Again, more specifically, he gives thought to possibly NOT 'finishing
them all'.  he could have forced her away, BUT it seems prudent not
to... meaning, the consideration was there, to move her aside and NOT
finish her off - not to do it later.  Something he might have done
were she cowering in the corner instead of standing in front of her child.

"The green light flashed around the room and she dropped like her
husband."


He gives thought to not killing her, gives words to not killing her. 
Never does he think (and we are privy to his thoughts) 'first the
babe, then the girl'.  Never does he think, 'ooh, more fun to make her
watch the child die'.

And what reason could he have to NOT kill her?  Because he's such a
nice guy, and he only wants to eliminate the threat - the baby? 
Because 'waste not-want not'?  Because he has to conserve his magic? 
None of these are in character.  Because he wants to do something for
an underling? Possible.  Very possible.  And here is where I find the
intrigue in the character of Voldemorte.

Feel free to interpret it any way you feel fit, but don't pretend that
it's some higher order of reasoning that makes you think that way.  We
see not only voldy's words, but his thoughts.  We've seen voldy do
things for subordinates before.  And I find it more logical, if Voldy
were to want to destroy her as well, for her to do it first, not for
him to waste time asking her to move, then going back and getting her
later.  I think it's a very valid assumption to feel that he might
indeed have left her alive if she had simply gotten out of his way.

~Adam (Prep0strus)