Ending WAS : Compassionate hero

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No: HPFGUIDX 176031

> > >>Julie:
> > <snip>
> > If you applied this philosophy of writing off children
> > by age eleven and assuming there's no point in trying to
> > influence them or change them, then the real world would
> > be a very scary place. (Oh, wait...we do, and it is!--
> > though on occasion there are those who don't write them
> > off, as with the true story of The Freedom Diaries...)
> > <snip>
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Wait, what?  Where do you get that?  Has no one on this list been 
to 
> college? That's not a judgement call on people's intelligence, it's 
> just... it's so classic that kids go off to college and get 
> introduced to new ideas and take themselves in completely different 
> directions than they'd ever imagined going. 
<SNIP>

Alla:

I had been to college and I had been to law school ( in the new 
country, new culture and all that). Of course I acquired all sort of 
new information growing up becoming adult, adjusting to new culture.

But had my personality had **major shake up**, since maybe not age 
eleven, but since my teens? I really do not think so.

I am not saying about small changes, obviously, you cannot stay 
exactly the same while teen and adult, you adjust your behaviour and 
all that, but I still believe in the same things I believed as a 
teenager, if that makes sense.

Therefore I do not dispute the possibility that person **can** change 
as we witnessed on the examples of Snape, Regulus, Dumbledore, but I 
do dispute that person will **routinely** experience a major shake up 
of their personalities.

Betsy Hp:
>> I also question this bizarre notion that societal changes can only 
> happen slowly.  Has no one heard of WWII?  Did the Nazis just fade 
> away?  Or for goodness sake, the state of race relations in the 
USA. 
<SNIP>

Alla:

In **your opinion** this notion is bizarre, in mine not at all. By 
the way, I do not remember saying that societal changes can only 
happen slowly, sometimes they do rather fast, BUT yes, I do consider 
slow motion to be more realistic. I will just say briefly about 
Natzis, since I do not have in depth picture, but will touch more on 
what I am familiar with.  I see on the news that Natzis groups are 
still in **existance** in Germany these days. Sure, they are not on 
top, not in charge, but aren't they even part of the government now? 
( I can be wrong, I apologise if I am, but I think couple years ago I 
saw on the news that natzi like group acquired some votes enough to 
get into the government - maybe I am confused).

What I am trying to say is that I believe no matter how quickly 
government proclaims to change things, unless people change in their 
hearts, there would be always a possibility that changes on top will 
go away IMO.

And I know that many many people In Germany feel a deep shame for the 
events of WW2 and that is certainly signifies to me the change from 
the bottom, BUT I absolutely disagree that Natzis faded away. IMO 
they are lurking in the background.

Same thing in my former home country Ukraine. They proclaimed 
probably like ten years ago that there is no more state antisemitism.

I will invite you to go on the street and ask people, if they  still 
blame jews for their low income, for their miseries, for everything, 
everything, everything. Come and tell me what answer you will get. 
Somehow I can predict the answer now.

That tells me that the moment goverment changes, it can all revert 
back, because usual people who did not change in their heart can get 
into the government and start implementing old policies. IMO of 
course.

Of course some people did change, I hope, but I think it will take 
several several generations to make people understand that NO, jews 
are not to blame for their miseries, low income, etc. That is if 
there would be any jews left by then in Ukraine.

So, in WW we know that Kingsley is the Minister of Magic and Harry in 
charge of the Aurors. No matter how many good intentions and good 
innovations they have to implement, till WW realises in its majority 
that purebloods are no better than muggleborns, that gobblins, elves, 
werewolves, etc need to be treated same way as human races, their 
success IMO will be short lived.


Betsy Hp: 
> I mean, look at Condeleezza Rice. She was a child in Alabama, 
subject 
> to all the segregation laws of the time.  One of the little girls 
> killed in the church bomb of '63 was a friend of hers.  And now 
she's 
> one of the most powerful people in the world.  So why is that sort 
of 
> story being written off as "unrealistic"?

Alla:

Nope again. This kind of story is not being written as unrealistic at 
all. This is exactly the kind of story that I find extremely 
realistic.

Because with proclaimed changes some people do get a chance to change 
their life and I think again that the example of Teddy Lupin who JKR 
wanted to show is OKay now shows just that.

I do not think he is being defined as the son of werewolf these days 
in Potterverse IMO of course.


Betsy Hp: 
<SNIP>
> Harry and co. are the definition of content (OBHWF, after all).  So 
> if any changes *do* occur within the WW, they're not going to be a 
> part of it.  Well, they'll play a part I'm sure.  They'll be the 
guys 
> standing on the school steps trying to keep the "unworthy" children 
> from entering.  

Alla:

We know that they did play a part and I am not sure where you find 
that they are content with what is happening in society. They are 
happy on the personal level, yes.

 
> Betsy Hp (who rather prefers her books more uplifting, thanks)
>

Alla:

Yes, I know.