Ending WAS : Compassionate hero

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No: HPFGUIDX 176062

Magpie:
<BIG SNIP>
In fiction it's more important that they be 
> believable rather than realistic (lots of things in the story 
aren't 
> realistic). 

Alla:

For whom it is more important? For me both of these things are 
important and actually if I see something in fiction that I can 
characterize as realistic, I will often find them believable too 
precisely because I can see analogy.

And **of course** lots of things in the story are not realistic and 
IMO lots of them are realistic. I am saying that I find the ending to 
be rather realistic.

Magic and all that, I still recognize teenagers angst for example in 
the books – very real one IMO, so I do not see why it cannot be that 
there are other realistic touches as well.

Magpie:
<SNIP>
Changes in Harry's world, and the results of the things 
> actually dealt with in the story are imo clear: Harry now has a 
> family, people are happily taking their kids to Hogwarts again, 
> Voldemort is dead and Harry's scar no longer hurts. Harry thinks 
> Snape was brave. Draco is subdued. It's exactly how it reads, 
> because imo it came right out of the story. Those are the points I 
> see being made in the epilogue. I think if more points were there 
> the before and after would be just as clear.

Alla:

Well, not IMO. I know you do not make much of Harry telling his kid 
that it does not matter to them if he is in Slytherin, but it is 
right written on the page, I happen to believe it to be a change from 
Harry being tremendously scared of being in Slytherin, since I 
believe that after the talk the kid at least will not be scared.

There is Ron teasing his daughter not to marry Scorpius. I definitely 
think it is a change from Ron's thoughts about Malfoy.

There is also Kingsley as temporary Minister of magic. Which IMO 
rather good change from Fudge and Scrimgeour.


Hickengruendler:
> 
> As a German, I want to add something to this, because it's not 
quite 
> as simple as that. The NSDAP (National-Sozialistische Deutsche 
> Arbeiterpartei), which was the party Hitler was a member of, is 
> indeed illegal. However, there are still a few parties, which have 
> basically the same ideology (broadly speaking, and considering, 
that 
> we have now 60 years later), but have another name, and they are 
> allowed. <SNIP>

Alla:

Snipping rather arbitrarily just to say thank you and be happy that I 
was not totally confused. Do you mind writing me offlist to explain 
what does it mean that they are in opposition, but representatives of 
something? Are they present at government body somehow?
It would be a nice picture for them just to go away because 
government says so, eh? 
At least I applaud people in power for **trying** to ban them. 
Russian government did not even bother with similar group few years 
ago. Sigh.

> Hickengruendler:
<SNIP>
> I tend to agree with Alla, that social changes normally do happen 
> slowly. One can break with the old rules and make more laws (for 
> example regarding the house-elves), but it is impossible making 
> people change their values over night. I find the ending of arry 
> Potter regarding that point a bit two-sided. On the one hand, I 
would 
> have liked to see some of the changes made and what happened to the 
> House-Elves. On the other hand, I do see what point JKR is trying 
to 
> make, in telling us that Kingsley had been announced temporary 
> Minister for Magic. Because what is needed for changes to happen, 
is 
> in most cases the right person in a position of power. <SNIP>

Alla:

Thank you :) I still think though that the key would be not just the 
good person in power, but whether Kingsley would be able to change 
the mindsets of the population, you know?

I think that does happen slowly. I actually wanted something more 
definite for house elves as well.