deathly hallows and the wands. Follow the Victor

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 176073

---  "jlnbtr" <jlnbtr at ...> wrote:
>
> Juli earlier
> At this point Harry is the master of three wands: 
> his own Phoenix  and, Draco's Hawthron wand, adn the
> Elder Wand. 
> 
> Zanoda:
> I wonder what happened to the Hawthorn wand. Did 
> Harry return it to Draco? Would it work for Draco 
> after it was taken from him by force and used by 
> Harry?
> 
> Juli now: I think the wand 'legally' belongs to Harry
> now. Its alliegance is to Harry. Draco could use it, 
> but it would always be a borrowed wand. I guess Draco
> bought a new wand.
> 
> Eric:
> I still don't get when Harry got the Elder wand. He 
> got the Hawthorn from Draco at Malfoy Manner and at 
> the end Harry says that he got the Elder wand from 
> Draco, but how and when did it actually happen?
> 
> Juli now: By taking the Hawthron wand from Draco, he 
> took all of Draco's wand, which included the Elder 
> Wand, even if he had never touched it. Harry also 
> had never touched the wand and still it was his.
> 
> Juli
>

bboyminn:

Let's us make a clear distinction between literally
and physically 'taking' the wand, and taking the 
wands allegiance.

The Allegiance follows the victor even if the victor
never physically touches the Wand. Draco defeated
Dumbledore, therefore the Allegiance of the Elder
Wand went to Draco even though Draco had no physical
contact with the Wand.

When Harry defeated Draco by taking the Hawthorn
wand, the allegiance of the Elder Wand followed
the victorious, and transferred to Harry, again
despite the fact that Harry has never touched the
Wand. 

Now there is debate whether the allegiance is tracking
from wand to wand, or from person to person. Either
way it works. The Elder Wands allegiance is transfer
even without physical possession of the Wand.

So, when you see references to 'Harry got the Elder
Wand', it is not the Wand he physically 'got', it
is the allegiance of the Wand. He becomes its
Master without ever physically having the Wand.

I think people are confusing the change of Mastership
of the Wand, with the actual physical transfer of 
the Wand. 

As a side issue, what happened to the Draco's Hawthorn
Wand, is anyone's guess. I can see noble Harry giving
it back at some point. It really doesn't matter
because Draco can buy a new wand now that Ollivander
is back in business. So, why not just give it back?

Steve/bboyminn