[HPforGrownups] Re: Regarding Voldemort being a psychopath

[Bart Lidofsky]

No: HPFGUIDX 176236

doddiemoemoe wrote:
> Actually Sociopath, and megolomaniac are yet other descriptive terms 
> that describes certain traits--lack of empathy, inability to form 
> interpersonal relationships etc.  but neither are mental disorders. 
> Sociopath and Psycopath are actually interchangable terms and 
> megolomania is not the same as having a narcistic personality 
> disorder.  I am happy that you, much like JKR are not arbitrarily 
> handing out diagnoses.  It's an understanding that some behaviors 
> are a result of certain charateristics.

Bart:
	Once again, just because it's not in the DIAGNOSTIC AND STATISTICAL 
MANUAL OF MENTAL DISORDERS or THE INTERNATIONAL STATISTICAL 
CLASSIFICATION OF DISEASES AND RELATED HEALTH PROBLEMS does not mean 
that it does not exist. And there are proposals to put it into both.

	Bart


> 
> Not that I disagree with your reasoning I think it's pretty spot on. 
> I just wanted to get out from under any theory that applied JKR's 
> depiction of Voldemort being a psyhopath enable folks to make 
> excuses for him because he had a mental disorder.
> 
> As for the final battle, I'm not quite sure if Voldemort is applying 
> occlumency at this point as you stated, not that it would do much 
> good as there is no more HorcruxHarry.  I'm not sure why he would do 
> it unless... Wow..do you think that by the final battle Voldemort 
> still thinks Harry is still in his mind? 
> 
> Now this makes a great deal of sense, I can see how Voldemort 
> mistakes Leguilmency for empathy at this point..to mistake magic for 
> character development. Now I have to re-examine Snape all over again-
> -awww thought I was done with that! LOL I laugh but it's true. I'm 
> no Snape fan and still haven't come round to Harry's point of 
> view..but if Snape confused empathy with legumency then it may 
> explain a great deal of his character development--even him being 
> mean/cruel to many of his students. No wonder the occlumency lessons 
> with Harry were an unmitigated disaster it was quite clear that 
> Harry was an individual with a great deal of empathy, if not during 
> the time of the lesson(especially after the Snape's worse memory 
> scene) it was perfectly clear after his friendship with Luna.
> 
> To cut off Harry's empathy would be akin to severing a limb.(makes 
> me want to play knock-knock on DD's head and ask if anyone's home in 
> OOP--which I'm sure Harry felt like doing in same book.)
> 
> So I suppose my question to you is do you think one of Vodlemort's 
> final thoughts were that Harry was a legumeins--"reading" his mind 
> and sewing doubts, OR was Voldemort unhinged because Harry felt pity 
> for him?
> 
> And I'm glad that you too think it's important that Harry enlightens 
> those around him which I thought he did, well beyond the realm of 
> the trio and well beyond the final battle--a true hero. However, the 
> final battle was more important because in addtion to Harry 
> supporter's being present there were DE's there too and all listened 
> to Harry to basically say "Stay back, he's mine." and ALL obeyed 
> even the Centaurs and House Elves.(just like Voldie had done in the 
> past only with DE's.)
> 
> Doddie,
> (who was really looking forward to taking 19 years to forgive 
> Snape..proof positive that *I* wasn't sure if I loathed him or was 
> really enjoying loathing him...perhaps some of both.) 
> 
> 
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