Whom did Dumbledore torture and killed? WAS: Re: re:Scrimgeour/WerewolfBites

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No: HPFGUIDX 179742

> Magpie:
> I don't know what Dumbledore's killing record is, but Harry's 
> statement and Dumbledore's answer implies pretty explicitly that 
they 
> both agree he has indeed killed. I can't imagine any person would 
> have that exchange otherwise. That would be like me saying, "But 
you 
> never beat your children unless they misbehaved!" and the other 
> person saying, "True, true," if what we really meant is that the 
guy 
> had never beat his children period. I wouldn't bring up that "if" 
if 
> the guy never beat his children at all, and he would respond, "I 
> never beat them, period," if he had never beat them at all. Both 
> Harry and Dumbledore are agreeing to the same exception when it 
comes 
> to killing--that Dumbledore did kill when it couldn't be avoided. 
> Harry did just accuse Dumbledore of killing and Dumbledore agreed 
to 
> it and apparently wanted exactly this reassurance, that the fact 
that 
> he only killed "if he could avoid it" makes all the difference.
> 
>

Alla:

I understand what you are saying but I disagree. To me it may mean 
the IF that Dumbledore indeed always tried to avoid it, but found it 
very hard to do so ( but did so in any event)


It is like if somebody would tell me - you never smoke if you could 
avoid it. I would find it perfectly reasonable to respond with true, 
true.

For the record, I never smoked, BUT sometimes I find it incredibly 
hard to avoid second hand smoke as in I may feel awkward to tell 
somebody not to smoke in presence or something.

Same way here, I think it is reasonable to say if Dumbledore never 
killed that he never killed if he could avoid it, because it was 
hard for him to do so. Like he knew he was tempted to kill, but 
never did, etc.

And if he did kill, we have how many mentions of him doing so? Um, 
Arianna, maybe.

As I said, I do not count Morfin and Hockey, although I accept it as 
interpretation, but surely you would agree that it is nothing 
**more** but interpretation?

And I agree with Carol that not dying in Azkaban and from old age as 
well would be strange for me. IMO of course.

Alla.