Whom did Dumbledore torture and killed? WAS: Re: re:Scrimgeour/Werew

[Angel Lima]

No: HPFGUIDX 179874

> lealess
>
> Speculation part: Dumbledore must have asked Snape what Voldemort
> was up to, so he must have known that Voldemort was holding a
> wandmaker, that Voldemort had taken Lucius Malfoy's wand, that
> Voldemort was traveling all over the world on some kind of quest.
> What about the escape of Ollivander from the Malfoy mansion? Do
> you think Snape didn't hear about that and report it to Dumbledore?
> <snip>

Alicia
OK, a lot of what you say makes sense but how could Snape have told DD
about Olivander's escape from the Malfoy mansion, DD was dead at the
end of HBP and the escape happens in DH. 

Angel:
this makes me barf but Severus had been speaking with the Albus portrait remember, as it was the portrait who came up with:
1 manipulating Mundungus, 2 the 7 HPs, 3 when and how to give Harry the sword etc... barf barf barf ... the way Albus ran the school posthumously, he could have started on "his next adventure" years earlier... 

 Lealess:
> > Dumbledore could have warned Snape about the Elder Wand at any 
> > time... but he didn't. He coldly kept his secrets and sacrificed 
> > Snape to Voldemort's whim. No matter how the Elder Wand 
> > ownership fell, Snape could not have won.

> Pippin:
> If Snape could not have won no matter who owned the wand, then
> what use would a warning be? Voldemort's belief that he had to
> kill Snape was delusional, since Voldemort knew that mastery
> of the wand had passed from Grindelwald to Dumbledore while
> Grindelwald was still alive. Dumbledore could predict that 
> Voldemort would delude himself into believing the Elder Wand
> would give victory to whoever had it, but how could he predict
> what form that delusion would take? 


Angel:
You captured the tragedy that is Severus Snape right there.  No matter how brilliant, how selfless, no one gives him his due.  Despite his brilliance it was Lily's praises the new potions master force fed us with arrgghh!

Who was Dumbledore anyway to judge if Snape was good enough to win against Voldemort???  

Power-hunger was a fault of Albus', there is no indication that Severus shared the same lust for power but of course Albus knew best and judged where he saw fit.
And while we're on the subject...Dumbledore killed others too not just Severus, maybe not as many as Voldemort, maybe not as directly and cruelly as Voldemort, but kill as effectively as Voldemort - yes.  

I suspect Aberforth's explanations of Albus' faults and "learning secrets at our mother's knee" line was not to be taken too in depth but the man truly understood Albus, who in the end was nothing more than a computer anti-virus...more troublesome and deadly than the actual virus.

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