Where's that Big Reveal in DH?

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Mike:
> > I'm not getting this. Pippin, you were around when Amanda 
> > vehemently pushed for Snape loved Lily. Like you said, even if 
> > you didn't believe it, it wasn't a new idea that Snape could have 
> > loved. 

Pippin:
> If you've been delving around in the archive you probably have a
> fresher memory for my old posts than I have. <g> Still, the way
> I remember things, there were a lot of people predicting Snape/
> Lily (myself among them) as the probable reason that Snape left
> Voldemort and stayed loyal to Dumbledore, and a  lot of people 
> predicting that Snape had a loathsome personality and always 
> would have. But they weren't the *same* people. 

SSSusan:
Actually, I was one who expected some version of LOLLIPOPS and yet 
also thought Snape was a spiteful, nasty, loathesome royal pri-- git 
who would always be so.  It never occurred to me that those two 
positions would rarely be held within the same reader.

Does that make me special? 

Or just weird?

:)


Pippin:
> Likewise there were people predicting puppetmaster!DD who
> considered that manipulating people in that fashion would be
> justified for the greater good. There were people who thought 
> puppetmaster!DD would be evil and Harry would repudiate DD on 
> account of it. But there weren't a lot, IIRC, who thought  
> puppetmastering would be a weakness that Harry would forgive.

SSSusan:
I definitely didn't predict the DD we got in DH.  No way, no how.  
Puppetmaster!DD for *any* reason -- to the degree to which he was 
shown to be that -- was unexpected by me.  So in this one, 
definitely, I wasn't someone who expected a puppetmastering!DD whom 
Harry would be forgiving.


Pippin: 
> The biggest flat out shock for me in DH was Harry's crucio.
> Again, there were people who predicted that the Trio would
> use the unforgivable curses and be punished for it. There
> were people who figured they would use the unforgivables
> and it would be justified in the text. But who predicted that
> they would be used and it would be left to the reader to
> decide?
> 
> Yet that is the dilemma we are more likely to face in real life,
> at least for those of us who are not personally in a position to
> torture anyone.   In DH, JKR was all through instructing us, IMO. 
> It should have been Harry's NEWT year, instead it was ours.
> 
> And who expected that?


SSSusan:
I'm not sure this was the biggest flat out shock for me... I'll have 
to ponder that.  But yes, the fact that it was there and, as you 
noted, Harry was neither punished for it nor was he in a situation 
where, almost universally, readers would be saying, "Heck yeah, 
ANYONE would have used Crucio in that case!" was a surprise.  Yes, 
interesting, that.

 
> Pippin
> wishes a Merry Christmas to those who are celebrating

Siriusly Snapey Susan,
adding her Merry Christmas as well