Harry Potter is not a Horcrux
justcarol67
justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Fri Feb 2 21:14:23 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 164535
Carol earlier:
> <snip>
> > They think that a Horcrux can be created accidentally. Some, not
all, of them think that the spell can be performed in advance (which
still doesn't explain how the soul bit got into Harry, who surely
wouldn't be an ideal container for the soul bit created from his own
murder).
> >
> > At any rate, while I entirely agree with hpcentaur that Harry is
not a Horcrux, I disagree that her religion has anything to do with
it. I simply think that the arguments for an accidental Horcrux are
unconvincing, that the powers in his scar can be otherwise explained,
and that the whole concept would cause unnecessary plot complications
in an already complex plot.
>
Jen responded:
I'm interested in the point about the scar being otherwise explained
and how Harry as a Horcrux adds an unnecessary complication.
> As of yet there's no explanation for the scar connection, no
mechanism has been introduced and Dumbledore only says they are
'connected by the curse that failed' and can't explain why.
>
> What it seems to come down to is whether JKR wants to introduce a
mechanism for an accidental Horcrux or one for how the rebounded AK
connected Harry and Voldemort. Neither would add to the complex plot
so much as explain something in need of explanation. At least the
scar being a Horcrux, if true, would not introduce a completely new
concept into the story.
Carol responds:
JKR merely needs to introduce an explanation for how Harry acquired
some of Voldemort's *powers.* Nothing has been said by DD or anyone
else to indicate that his scar includes a bit of Voldemort's *soul.*
Certainly, he isn't possessed, as I've already established. And we
know form both canon and interviews that the spell Voldemort cast, and
which was deflected by Lily's self-sacrifice, was a Killing Curse, not
whatever incantation is required to create a Horcrux. There's no
indication that a Horcrux could be created accidentally, and no
convincing reason for Voldemort to deliberately turn the body or skull
of the boy he was trying to kill to thwart the Prophecy into a Horcrux.
It's no less likely that powers, which are intangible, could enter
Harry's forehead through the cut (which must have been caused by the
spell bursting outward since an AK doesn't cause a mark or wound) than
that a floating soul bit, also intangible, could do so. A spell is
required to encase an intangible soul bit into an object or living
being. How, then could it happen accidentally? And if it could be cast
in advance, then the soul bit would have gone into the prepared
container, not into Harry. We don't even know that detached soul bits
float around aimlessly if their owner is vaporized. It's just as
likely, if not more so, that they go beyond the Veil to their eternal
home.
I've also postulated that since blood has magical properties, whether
its wizards' blood or dragon's blood or unicorn blood, that Voldie's
powers could have entered Harry's open wound through a drop of blood,
surely at least as plausible as a bit of intangible soul entering him
without possessing him (we know he isn't possessed) and without a
spell (absurdly) preparing the child LV is trying to kill to become a
Horcrux.
As for the complications I was speaking of, I'm talking about the
stand off. How can Harry kill Voldemort or otherwise destroy him if he
or his scar is a Horcrux anchoring Voldie's soul to the earth? We'd
have Vapormort all over again. And if Voldemort killed Harry,
inadvertently destroying one of his Horcruxes, how could Dead!Harry
kill him? They AK each other? I don't think Harry will use AK as his
weapon. They fall off Reichenbach Falls together?
I think that Harry will defeat Voldemort through the power of Love
(his willingness to sacrifice himself, not necessarily meaning that he
will actually die) and through another power peculiar to Voldemort
that he acquired at GH, the power of possession. (Please refer to my
previous posts on this topic if you're interested.)
>
Jen:
> The biggest evidence I see against the scar as a Horcrux is that
Lily's protection is supposed to keep Voldemort from touching Harry so
how could his soul piece make it into Harry's forehead? Unless the
soul piece squeaked in before the protection took place <g> or the
protection is just against Voldemort's body.
>
Carol:
Exactly. The sacrifice would deflect a soul bit as easily as it
deflected the AK. But Voldie's *powers* via a drop of blood or any
other mechanism would be a weapon that could ultimately be turned
against him (making Harry Voldemort's equal, as symbolized by the scar).
And as I said above, the cut had to precede whatever entered Harry,
partly because it was the means of entry and partly because it must
have been caused by the deflected curse bursting outward. (I can't see
any other cause of a magical scar that binds Harry to Voldemort,
certainly not a bit of house falling on him.)
Anyway, those are my reasons for not believing that Harry is a
Horcrux, nor will I believe it until and unless I read it in DH, at
which time I'll ask Alla for her recipe for crow ;-)
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