[HPforGrownups] Re: Karkaroff as Headmaster (WAS: Snape&Lucius)

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 164771


> --Carol wrote--
>
>>>>It's only Draco, after all, who tells us that the Dark Arts are
> actually taught at Durmstrang, and Krum Crucios Cedric under the
> influence of a very powerful Imperius Curse (which may give him powers
> he wouldn't ordinarily have, as well as controlling his will). I don't
> think we can conclude that Krum, a self-effacing person who seems
> genuinely to care about Hermione and to regret what happened to
> Cedric, had mastered the Cruciatus Curse as part of the Hogwarts
> curriculum. If Durmstrang were a DE training ground, we'd have a lot
> more Antonin Dolohovs and fewer Averys and CrabbenGoyles to worry
> about (or not).
> <<<
>
>
>
> --Ronin's comments--
> Your post is excellent.
> Just to add a couple of observations;  Draco's tales don't mean much. 
> Draco has a habit of boasting about these types of things and it turns out 
> to be completely false. For example, during OWLs, he bragged that his 
> father was great friends with Griselda Marchbanks and that she'd see to it 
> he pulled through his OWLs alright. But it turned out that Neville's 
> grandmother was actually friends with Marchbanks and she was not 
> associated with the Malfoys. (Thankfully)

Magpie:
Actually, I would take Draco at his word there. He does often tell stories 
that aren't true, but he's also capable of giving us information. Teaching 
the Dark Arts doesn't necessarily mean all the students are evil. It's just 
a question of whether you're teaching students about a certain area of magic 
that Hogwarts doesn't. Even a headmaster not an ex-DE might follow that 
curriculum.

Ronin:
My other comment goes to the type of students attended the other schools. 
It's been a while since I've read GOF, so I hope my recollection isn't too 
clouded by the movie which I've seen recently. I thought that the Durmstrang 
students may have been portrayed as barbarians (speaking of their manners). 
I wondered if this was to magnify the differences between the cultures at 
Durmstrang and Beuxbatons and show how Hogwarts was a sort of middle ground 
where all were welcome and treated equally.

Magpie:
Iirc, Beauxbatons were French stereotypes with good manners and Durmstrang 
were eastern European and impressed by fancy silverware.:-) That is, they 
were all very much their countries. Hermione, for instance, didn't like 
Fleur, especially when she complained about English food as opposed to 
French food. So rather than Hogwarts being in the middle, it was more like 
France vs. England vs. Eastern European. (Krum is Bulgarian--with an odd 
accent--but I don't think everyone from Durmstrang was supposed to be 
Bulgarian.)

-m