Sirius' body WAS:Re: Dumbledore in book 7 (Was: It's more complex than that....)

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 164884

Carol earlier:
> > With regard to the main plot, if one of Harry's Voldie-acquired 
> > powers is possession, and his method of killing Voldemort is to 
> > force him through the Veil using Love as his weapon, possessing 
> > Sirius's body would provide Harry's soul with a means of 
> > transportation back to the WW. (Voldie's own fractured soul would 
> > remain behind with his body.  He, like Sirius Black, would be
truly dead. But Harry's soul would only be, so to speak, along for the 
> > ride, and he, unlike the others, could return.)

> 
Jen responded: 
> Why is possession not the darkest of the dark magic in the WW and
why, how, could Harry participate in such an experience without 
deeply harming 'the power the Dark Lord knows not'?  The idea of 
Harry practicing possession runs counter to everything Dumbledore has
told him about how he is protected from Voldemort.  Possession is a
vile power, it's far more invasive and controlling than the Imperius.

Carol:
How is invading the mind of the evil wizard who needs to be destroyed,
making him feel the power of Love that is Harry's chief weapon,
"vile"? It's much better, IMO, than murdering him with an
Unforgiveable Curse or forcing LV to have his soul sucked out by a
Dementor, the only other ways I can think of to kill or destroy a
post-Horcrux LV. Harry acquired *powers* (plural) from Voldemort, and
he's not going to kill or destroy him via the scar link or using
Parseltongue. There has to be some point to JKR's giving Harry
peculiar powers that make him uniquely qualified to defeat the Dark
Lord. Possession would be a vehicle for "the Power the Dark Lord knows
not," a way of getting Love (which we know he can't endure) into
Voldemort? Why else have the scene in which he tries and fails to
possess Harry in the MoM, driven out by the beautiful and terrible of
Love?
> 
Jen:
> I like the idea of Harry taking a journey to the Underworld, seeing 
> the people he loves and who loved him.  I feel certain JKR can 
> accomplish this without having Harry stoop to Voldemort's level to 
> make this journey.

Carol again:
Well. at least we're agreed there. Any idea how he could do it without
using Voldie's "living" body to get in and Sirius's dead one to get
out? I think possession, a power Harry thinks he doesn't have but
could well have acquired along with Parseltongue (also viewed by many
wizards as a Dark power) would be the perfect means to make this
journey without being trapped beyond the Veil himself.
> 
Carol earlier: 
> > I like this version of events because it gives Sirius Black's
death a purpose beyond a lesson in compassion for Harry (understanding
thesuffering that others have endured because of Voldemort) by 
providing a means for Harry to go beyond the Veil and return alive,
and it enables Harry to destroy Voldemort through a sacrificial 
impulse without dying himself or committing murder.
> 

Jen: 

> JKR has promised Sirius death will be given meaning and I sense  the
purpose will be much greater and more valuable for the defeat of 
Voldemort than a personal experience for Harry.  All roads lead to 
Voldemort now and Harry has made a sort of peace with Sirius' death 
already.  Bringing Sirius' body back for a funeral and so the WW will
know the truth is rather anticlimatic in my opinion, something the 
story has moved beyond, not to mention Harry.
>
Carol:
Bringing Sirius's body back (at his request, a la Cedric) would do
more than provide the funeral he never had and posthumously clear his
name. It would give Harry a means to return from the land of the Dead.
Why else would JKR have Sirius die in this particular way? If all
Harry needed was the compassion for LV's victims that we both agree
that this death provides, why not have Bella AK her dear cousin? Why
have her almost accidentally send him beyond the Veil. There's a
reason that he died *in this particular way.*

And, of course, all roads lead to Voldemort. That's the whole point of
having Harry possess him. Better that than committing murder using an
evil curse, the Darkest of the Curses except for the one that creates
Horcruxes. IMO, of course. I don't want Harry to soil his hands with
murder. Possessing Voldie, no doubt instinctively, as he does
everything, as an act of desperation and self-defense (perhaps Harry
is wandless at this point?) would be highly dramatic and imaginative
and would keep his hands clean and his soul unripped--especially if LV
*chooses* to go beyond the Veil to escape the pain and power of
Harry's sacrificial Love.

Carol, understanding that you find possession distasteful but not
seeing why possessing Voldie to get him behind the Veil and using
Sirius's body to get back wouldn't work to kill Voldie and save Harry,
surely the ideal ending for those who want Harry to live