Sirius' Body - THEORY -Special Circumstances... (was: Dumbledore...bk 7 )

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 164894

--- "kat7555" <kat7555 at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol responds:
> > The point would be to give Sirius Black the proper 
> > funeral he never received and to give Harry a chance
> > to accept his godfather's death as he accepts 
> > Dumbledore's. It would also provide a chance for the
> > WW to be told Black's real story. I don't think the
> > MoM ever publicly acknowledged its blunder regarding
> > him. To use a jargon term that I hate, bringing 
> > Sirius's body back would give his story "closure."


> Kathy: 
> 
> I hope you are correct as well. Sirius was my favorite
> character next to Harry and I always felt sympathy for
> him being convicted of a crime he didn't commit. I 
> think Sirius gave Harry the unconditional love that 
> Harry always needed. He was more willing to share his
>  home than the Dursley's ever were. I also believe that
> Harry was the closest person to a son that Sirius would
>  ever have.
> 
> Kathy
>


bboyminn:

I've tried to resist, but you have forced me to trot out
one of my favorite, though admittedly farfetched and 
unlikely, theories. But first, some background.

Normally when a person dies, his body physically dies 
and his soul no longer having a body to contain it and
give it meaning, leaves the body. The soul then crosses
over to the 'other side' - goes 'behind the Veil'; death,
separation, then crossing over.

Sirius did none of these things. His body didn't die.
Both living body and eternal soul crossed over beyond
the Veil intact, and I say this constitutes VERY SPECIAL 
Circumstances. 

Don't get me wrong, for the moment, Sirius is dead in
that he is trapped in the realm of the dead, and can't
under any normal circumstances get back. If you are
forever trapped in the land of the dead, then you are
functionally dead. 

That's under normal circumstances, so we have to create
some Abnormal Circumstances. Carol and I both believe 
that Harry has additional powers he recieved from 
Voldemort, power that haven't manifested themselves 
yet because circumstances haven't forced that 
manifestation. The power, and critical to this 
discussion, is the Power of Possession. Harry has the
power of possession.

I predict that in the climatic battle as an act of 
desperation, Voldemort will once again possess Harry.
Then we have a battle of will-power similar to the 
battle of wills that occurred when the wands connected.
Voldemort will stuggle to retain his Possession of
Harry, and Harry will struggle to throw off Voldemort's
Possession. In the process, rather than throw Voldemort
off, he will reverse the Possession. Harry will possess
Voldemort.

Now Harry is in control. If he can hold Voldemort in
possession, there may be a away he can destroy him, 
but likely that will mean destroying himself. The only
way is to drag himself and Voldemort beyond the Veil.
Horcruxes or no Horcruxes, once Voldemort is behind the
Veil he is trapped there for eternity, but so is Harry.

So is Harry... unless my fertile mind can create a 
second set of special circumstances, and I'm here to 
tell you that my warped, twisted, desperate mind can 
do just that. The special circumstances are that two 
souls can not cross over as one, and remain beyond the
Veil. More simply put, Voldemort and Harry joined as 
one body and one soul, are not trapped behind the Veil.

That means that Harry must separate from Voldemort
thereby trapping them both behind the Veil. Too bad we
don't have another person who is behind the Veil under
'special circumstances'... BUT WAIT, we do; Sirius.

Sirius puts his hand on Harry's body and tells Harry 
to tranfer possesssion to him. In otherwords, Harry
abandons Voldemort thereby trapping him forever 
behind the Veil, and takes over Sirius's body. Never
during the process is Harry ever uniquely alone and
therefore trapped in the land of the dead. That's 
important because if Harry and his soul are ever
'stand alone' behind the Veil then they are all
trapped there. Remember that 'two souls in one' is
a special exception that I created to make this 
work, but it only works as long as two souls 
remain as one. Once souls are individual and separate
they are trapped forever.

Now Harry and Sirius are joined, Voldemort is trapped
and abandon. Sirius and Harry walk back out of the 
Veil after a tearful goodbye to parents and friends,
and to the joyful cheers of waiting friends.

As to whether Sirius survives the ordeal, I can go 
either way. If Sirius survives, then fine, he and
Harry can continue their relationship. If by chance
Sirius has been behind the Veil too long to survive
the return, then at least Harry has the gift of
Sirius saving him and giving him a second chance 
at life, and he has a chance to bury and grieve for
Sirius properly.

This theory combines so many elements of the plot.

The Veil for one, I can't imagine an image as 
substantial and creepy as the Veil being abandon.
It seems that it is too significant not to be used
again, even more significant that the 'Locked Room'.

It combined the classic Epic Hero's death and rebirth
themes. Harry goes beyond the Veil and returns.

Harry has the 'power' that Voldemort knows not. In 
fact, Harry has the power, the power of possession,
that nobody knew or anticipated. 

It allows Harry to kill/vanquish Voldemort without
literally having to kill him; no AK curse. Voldemort
isn't truly dead, he is alive and well, just eternally
trapped behind the Veil. Fan Fic writers will love 
this as they can fantasize ways of Voldemort coming 
back. 

This also invalidates the Horcruxes and allows Harry
to win even if the Horcruxes are not all destroyed.
Voldemort's soul won't go beyond the Veil on it's 
own because of the Horcruxes, but I say their 
existance doesn't prevent Harry from literally dragging
Voldemort beyond the Veil and trapping him there.

If you must bring the 'Locket Room' into the picture
then Harry and/or Sirius are rushed to the room after
exiting the Veil in a last ditched attempt to help 
them recover from their ordeal.

Behind the Veil Harry gets to spend some quality time
with his parents, family, and Dumbledore.

Now, JKR has said that Sirius is dead. Some think
that shoots down this theory. However, while I
readily admit that Sirius is as good as dead, that
for all intent and purpose, is dead. He is dead
under 'special circumstances', dead in a way that
dead people are NOT dead. Until these additional
'special circumstances' arise, there is ZERO chance
of Sirius coming back. So, he can in my scenario be
completely dead and yet not dead at the same time.

Admittedly, this is fantasy in the extreme, I'm not
even remotely going to predict that this will happen.
I'm only presenting it as a cool, though admittedly
deranged, idea of what could happen.

Harry and Sirius behind the Veil and back...under Special
Circumstances.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Steve/bboyminn