Sirius' body WAS:Re: Dumbledore in book 7 (Was: It's more complex than that....)

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> > Alla:
> > 
> > But why Harry would not be able to find another way back?
> 
> Carol:
> Maybe, but why not use the means available? Two superfluous bodies
> (Sirius Black's and Voldie's), one superfluous soul (Harry's). 
Using
> Black's body would make it (as opposed to Voldie's) available for
> burial (and his reputation available for vindication) and it would
> provide a means for Harry to escape the Underworld and return to 
his
> own body. What other way would you prefer, assuming that I'm right
> about the two-way trip behind the Veil and back?


Alla:

Because I completely agree with Jen and consider possession power 
darkest of dark somewhere around on AK level, so I would not want 
Harry to use it. If it is done on subconscious level, it is one 
thing, but I do not want Harry to spend one second thinking about 
using it.

That is why I prefer another way for trip to underworld, if it is 
about to happen.

As I said, I really really like Steve's theory, even though I do 
realise that it is not going to happen, but you will have to  
forgive me that I will still keep that tiny hope, hehe, till I read 
the book 7.

But on the more **realistic** level, meaning that I know that Sirius 
does not come back, and do not want Harry to use possession, I was 
thinking that trip to underworld will start differently than you 
suggest.

I was thinking that Harry pushes Voldemort through the veil and 
slips to it himself, meaning body and soul.

Oh, and since he has his body, he does find his way back, after 
seeing his loved ones, etc. For details ask JKR :)

Maybe Sirius will be his guide till the last moment in the veil, 
then says his goodbyes and goes back to James and Lily or something 
like that.

 
> Carol, who certainly wasn't thinking about "digging Sirius's 
grave,"
> only about giving him the funeral he never had, for Harry's sake 
(and
> Lupin's)
> >
>

Alla:

Right, I said that I am sure you did not mean it that way, it just 
felt like that to me, still does feel like that. Sort of unintended 
consequences of the theory, LOL.

Sirius had been gone for two years, I think that closure can be done 
on spiritual level now, without his body brought back.

That is of course just speculation and you can be right or me, or 
none of us and trip to underworld will not happen at all.

But I do hope that you are wrong about Sirius body brought back. I 
really do.

Pippin:
> Harry could hardly have given a full account of the graveyard 
without
> mentioning Peter Pettigrew and how he happened to be alive. I
> think Sirius's story has been told. 

Alla:

Probably, except there is that promise by JKR to learn more about 
Prank, so if nothing else, I am not sure we can say that Sirius 
story is finished.


Pippin: 
> I don't know that Harry needs to make a physical journey to the
> beyond, but if he does, I agree he will need to bring back some 
kind
> of token to show it was a real experience, not a vision or a dream.
> But Sirius's body, intact after two years? That doesn't seem right.
> Perhaps if it crumbled into dust as soon as it re-entered the 
world...

Alla:

Agreed completely about body not being intact after two years, 
although who knows, magic can be useful plot device, LOL.