Bathroom Scene - A Different Perspective

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No: HPFGUIDX 165149

> Magpie:
> What's the matter with saying Harry thought he had one being 
thrown at him? 
> I said, quite reasonably imo, that we have seen a teenaged boy try 
to throw 
> Crucio and apparently not really "mean it" in the correct way to 
throw one 
> for real. So the same could have been happening here, and we don't 
know that 
> Draco was able to cast one. I then went on to say that from 
Harry's pov it 
> is a real Crucio, period. I said that to specifically avoid this 
accusation 
> that I'm saying that Harry isn't reacting to getting a real Crucio 
at him 
> and is supposed to take into consideration that Draco might not be 
> capable--which I am not saying. Why am I not surprised we're back 
to it 
> anyway? Yes, Harry thought it was a true Crucio. He can't *know* 
because it 
> wasn't completed and we've seen teenaged boys throw Crucios in the 
heat of 
> anger and be told they didn't "mean it."  My mistake for thinking 
about what 
> might be going on with Draco for a second, there, as if he's a 
character 
> too.
> 

Alla:

What is **wrong** with saying that Harry thought it was true Crucio? 
Um, nothing, but by the same token there is nothing wrong with 
challenging that.

To me it looks as true Crucio, pure and simple and I see no signs 
that Draco would have not be able to complete it.

"There was a loud bang and the bin behind Harry exploded; Harry
attempted a Leg-Locker Curse that backfired off the wall be­hind
Malfoy's ear and smashed the cistern beneath Moaning Myr­tle, who
screamed loudly; water poured everywhere and Harry slipped as
Malfoy, his face contorted, cried, "Cruci —"

"SECTUMSEMPRA!" bellowed Harry from the floor, waving his wand
wildly.""

Alla:

If there was a time interval, a second, a half-second in between 
Draco saying it and Harry responding with Sectusemptra, then sure I 
can see the argument that it was uncomplete one.

But Harry shuts Draco up right in the middle of him saying the 
curse, so I am disagreeing with **Harry thought it was a true 
Crucio**, yes. I am saying that it  **was** true Crucio and Harry 
did not let him finish.





Mike:
<HUGE SNIP>
> Once the fight starts, I thought Harry was exhibiting measured 
> responses, like I said before. He may hate Draco, but he didn't 
have 
> any intent to kill or permanently disfigure. And when Draco begins 
> his Crucio, he has defined himself as an "enemy". As Eggplant 
pointed 
> out, Harry calls upon the correct spell for the situation, the one 
> marked "for enemies". To me his intent was pure and simple; stop 
> Draco's Crucio. And after rereading his description of the effects 
of 
> LV's Crucio in GoF, I can see why he would want to avoid that 
> experience at all costs. 
> 
> Harry's mindset has always been transparent, not just for the 
readers 
> but also for the other characters in the story, imo. It never 
> occurred to me that anyone would have to question where Harry 
stood. 
<SNIP> 

Alla:

Oh, Mike you said everything so much better than I ever could :) I 
agree with almost every word in your post.