[HPforGrownups] Re: Bathroom Scene - A Different Perspective.

[SnapesSlytherin at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 165187

     Vexingconfection: Pardon my ignorance on this and understand-ignorance never equates to an absence of opinion as much as one might appreciate that to be.... Harry did not steal work as much as perform his own experimentation. He demonstrated both irreverence and irresponsibility but not in my opinion dishonesty. IMO he was using the potions class to further his investigation into the HBP's book. He did not take credit for any work professionally. He did not know who the Prince was. 
  
  Oryomai: 
 But Harry DID NOT perform his own experimentation! The book told him what to do -- it was just as if he was following a different set of instructions. At my school (Duquense University), the technical cheating policy is that it doesn't even matter if you did it on purpose or not. Last semester, when my partner plagarized websites, I could've gotten expelled as well. Harry stole the work. When you take someone else's notes and use them, and do not credit them even when directly asked about it, you're cheating. 
 
  Vexingconfection:
  A better question would be, if Snape knew there were easier and more gainful methods to produce the same or better results in the spells or potions he was teaching, why did he not instruct his students on their use? What was Snape's motivation to not give his students the fullest and most useful understanding and application of the craft? If it was because they were not MoM approved, he could 
 have had them approved or gone through the Headmaster to instruct them. I am sure we have all had classes on evolution in which the teacher first issues the statement or disclaimer, "This may or may not be in your belief system but it's part of science and has not yet been proved or disproved. It is here for evaluation." Many of the notations made were simply how to extract juices. These were simple tricks that could have been taught. 
  
  Oryomai: How do we know Severus *didn't* teach them? He's not teaching Harry Potions this year, so we do not know if he had planned on showing the 6th year class these tricks or not. Just because Slughorn doesn't know/teach them does not mean that Severus had not done so in the past. We cannot base what Severus would've taught off of what Slughorn does. 
 Vexingconfection:
   Here is something else I will mention and hopefully not bring so much criticism that you toss me from your group. Martin Luther King, Jr., plagiarized most of his work while in college. It's a known fact. While we may make allowances for presidents and famous celebrities for perjury and plagiarization... a 15(?) yr old orphaned wizard who comes from a loveless home and is facing the Dark lord is held to 
 higher standards. I think he acted within his character, reckless and 
 youthful but not nefariously. I think JKR has been true to her character.
  
 Oryomai: Um...this is not well-known. I have just lost pretty much all respect for MLK Jr. now. Academic cheating is not something that people should admire in anyone. I'm not sure who you're talking about when you say that we make allowances for presidents and famous celebrities -- but I attempt not to make any exceptions on cheating (but I am human!). While I don't think Harry should be stoned to death or anything for his use of the Potions Book, I think that we cannot look beyond the fact that Harry cheated. Harry even seems to know this -- when Severus asked for his book, Harry took Ron's instead. That seems to indicate a guilty conscience to me....
  
 
  Oryomai, who is having lots of trouble with spacing for some reason and apologizes!
     
    
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