[HPforGrownups] Predictions, Wishful Thinking & Anything But *That*...! (Re: Satisfaction..)

[Kathryn Jones]

No: HPFGUIDX 163433


> Carol responds:
> Heaven forfend! If Dumbledore suspected any such thing, surely he
> would have told Harry rather than misleading him into thinking that he
> knows all the remaining Horcurxes (the cup, the locket, the snake,
> something from Gryffindor or Ravenclaw). Easy or not, Dumbledore would
> have done what was right--and I believe that he did so. BTW, Harry is
> sixteen, not fifteen, during HBP, and DD says that he's told Harry
> everything that he knows or suspects about Horcruxes. It's only Snape
> that he still conceals information about.
> 
> And if Harry has to be killed to defeat Voldemort, exactly how is that
> supposed to work? If Harry!Horcrux dies first, he can't kill
> Voldemort. If Harry!Horcrux "kills" Voldemort but is still alive
> himself, Voldemort will become Vapormort and the process will start
> all over again. *If* Harry is a Horcrux and is actually carrying a
> soul bit rather than merely some of LV's powers, then he will have to
> be de-Horcruxed--the soul bit destroyed to make Voldemort mortal and
> Harry still alive to kill or destroy Voldemort.
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> Carol, who thinks that the Horcruxes are what DD says they are and
> that Harry will defeat LV and live to tell the tale to his grandchildren


KJ writes:

      So, Carol, just for the sheer sake of arguing as Devil's Advocate 
here, let's consider some possibilities.

1.	We know that Dumbledore makes emotional mistakes and can't bring 
himself to believe, perhaps, what he suspects to be true. We know that 
he suspects because he avoided Harry completely after the Goblet of Fire 
and until he felt that it was safe to do so in OotP.  Dumbledore knew 
that Voldemort had access to Harry before Harry returned to school.

2.	We know that the Room of Love is likely to show up in book 7, and we 
suspect that the Veil Room will show up in book 7.  We also expect to 
see conflict at Dursley's residence on Harry's birthday, and at Hogwarts.

3.	We also suspect that Snape has been put in place by Dumbledore for a 
specific purpose. He is in a position to a) poison Nagini, b) find out 
the whereabouts of the Horcruxes, and c) be in attendance at the 
confrontation between Voldemort and Harry. We also know that the wands 
of Harry and Voldemort do not work properly against each other. Somebody 
(cough, cough, Dumbledore) got Ollivander out of the way so that this 
won't change. Snape's wand will work.

4.	I propose that if Harry does figure out that he has a soul piece in 
his head, he may be able to make use of the Love Room to drive it out. 
He would survive the experience, but perhaps the soul piece will not. 
This is a best case scenario, since I think that Harry is going to bite 
it.  This may be a way that JKR allows him to survive.

5.	If I am wrong about the Love Room, then Harry must discover that he 
is the holder of a soul piece. Once the two, Voldemort and Harry come 
together, I would expect that Voldemort would kill Harry.  Once the last 
soul piece is gone, Snape could easily kill Voldemort. If Harry struck 
his usual lucky blow, and killed Voldemort, Snape could snuff Harry, who 
would be struggling to prevent Voldemort from taking possession of him. 
Or, by the end of the book, Harry and Snape could be working together. 
Snape whacks Voldemort and Harry drags his unconscious body through the 
Veil.

	Or, I could be completely wrong, as usual. There are several ways for 
this to play out depending on who you want to live.

KJ