[HPforGrownups] Re: MuggleNet - Godrics Hollow Theory.

[:::: Violet ::::]

No: HPFGUIDX 163465

<< sherry now:
I believe the charm was broken, the moment Peter told Voldemort where to find the Potters. Once the secret keeper betrays the secret, I don't think the charm is in effect any longer.>>

  <<Kemper now:
I'm inferring you to mean that the Fidelius Charm works based on the loyalty of the Secret Keeper. If so, I don't like that implication. It would take away the emotional power of the spell, making the spell's strength based on the Peter's loyalty to the Potters rather than the Potter's faith in Peter.

Yes, I know that the Potters first thought for their SK was Sirius and not Peter. But, the Potters made Peter their SK based on Sirius' suggestion. And they had every faith in him.>>

  <<Lilygale here:
Interesting thought, but I'm having trouble buying it. A Secret Keeper obviously can let other people in on the secret. For example, that is how Harry found out that headquarters of the Order are at 12 Grimmauld Place. Is there something about the Fidelius Charm itself that recognizes an enemy of the people for whom the Charm is cast? But if that were the case, how did the traitor Pettigrew become Secret Keeper in the first place?>>

  Violet now:
  I have to agree with Kemper and Lilygale in this aspect. If the Fidelius spell worked by concealing a secret inside a person and the only people who can know the secret will be those chosen by the Secret Keeper. Now, if the SK can openly choose who he or she will disclose the secret to, wouldn’t that include enemies as well as friends? Plus, if that was even a remote possibility wouldn’t that have made Lupin innocent in the eyes of the Potters (remember in PoA when Sirius told him that they thought Lupin was the spy that was informing Voldemort)? And, if they had realized he was innocent, that he wasn’t the spy, he wasn’t the traitor, the enemy, wouldn’t they immediately have told Lupin about the SK switch?

> Sherry replied:
> I don't think Dumbledore could have shown the paper to Hagrid. If Dumbledore received the secret this way, I think he had to have been meant to know it, and if Hagrid wasn't meant to know, I imagine he couldn't have read the paper. But my basic theory is that once the secret keeper betrayed the Potters secret, anyone could have found the family. and if, as Carol
> believes, Godric's Hollow was Dumbledore's house which he loaned to the Potters, he would have known where it was as soon as the secret keeper charm died.

<<Kemper now:
I'm not quite sure what you're saying, Sherry.

It sounds like you are saying that if Dumbledore had a piece of paper with the Potter location written on it that Dumbledore /could not/ have shown the piece of paper to Hagrid because the secret was not written for Hagrid. If that's so, why would Moody burn the piece of paper with 12 Grimmauld Place written on it?

If you are saying that Dumbledore /would not/ share the paper with Hagrid without explicit instruction to do so from the Potters themselves, then I totally agree. I think Violet's suggestion that Dumbledore would do that paints Dumbledore in a poor, if not bad, light.>>

  Violet now:

  I thought about the piece of paper seeing as how Dumbledore didn’t know who the SK was until Peter revealed himself in PoA. The only reasonable possibility as to how Dumbledore came to know about the Potter’s whereabouts was that one (to me anyway).

  I wasn’t trying to put Dumbledore under a “poor, if not bad light”, as Kemper put it. Sorry that I came across that way. I don’t know for sure (in fact, no one apart from Rowling does) if the Potters knew Hagrid and trusted him enough to tell their secret. So, in my view of things, either they did trust him and did share the secret with him or Dumbledore persuaded them with the “I’d place my life in the hands of Hagrid” speech (a truthful speech, I might add). That’s mainly why I stated what I stated. Or even, Hagrid read the paper without Dumbledore’s consent, by accident. I’m not too fond at this theory though, I’m most positive that Hagrid wouldn’t mess, read or eat anything that was on Dumbledore’s office without the Headmaster’s permission. However, I didn’t take under consideration the fact that Godric’s Hollow might’ve Dumbledore’s house and that he would’ve known instantly.

  A spur of the moment doubt occurred as I was writing the post, so, since it has everything to do with the thread, I’m placing it here, at the bottom:

  The Fidelius charm was cast to protect the location of the house, not of the Potters. Because if you believe that when the Potters died the spell dissolved then the spell was only protecting James and Lily seeing as how Harry is pretty much alive and that is completely unacceptable to me. I mean, James and Lily went into hiding to protect Harry. So, it is my belief that the Fidelius was keeping the whereabouts of Godric’s Hollow rather than the Potters. And it was dissolved when the house was destroyed: no object, no secret to keep. Just like Hagrid said:

  "'No sir-house was almost destroyed, but I got him out all right before the Muggles started swarmin' around.'"  (15, SS)

  So, perhaps, the fact that the house was almost destroyed made the spell dissolved slower than it would have if the house had blown up at once? And that was why muggles didn’t swarm (as Hagrid put it) around immediately?



~*~ Violet ~*~
  "Who knows, maybe a lightning can strike."