The Power of Harry ... (was: Harry's Characterization)

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 163586

Eggplant:
> > > 4) Harry could produce a Patronis at a extraordinary young age
but more important it was so powerful it awed even Hermione, because
the only other wizard she knew who could repel a hundred Dementors 
was Dumbledore. 
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> Colebiancardi: 
> > yes, he did.  Under extreme stress.  Up until then, he was not 
able to produce such a powerful Patronis.  
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> But does it matter though? Nobody else at Harry age seemed to be 
> able to do it **at all* - extreme stress or not IMO.

Carol chimes in:

Harry had the advantage of special training under Lupin using a
Dementor Boggart. He couldn't produce a full-fledged corporeal
Patronus against real Dementors in PoA--only light before he collapsed
and lost consciousness. He produced the corporeal Patronus from a
distance after seeing his future self do it. (After that, of course,
it was a piece of cake to produce one for his OWLs and not
exceptionally difficult, though hardly easy, to produce two of them,
one per Dementor, in Magnolia Crescent in OoP. None of the DA members
had the advantage of training using a Dementor Boggart, so the chances
of their producing a Patronus against a real Dementor are slim.
(That's where Snape's alternative method will come in, I hope!)

At any rate, I'm not so sure that Harry's ability to produce a
corporeal Patronus at thirteen is a reflection of his unusual power or
talent so much as a reflection of his extraordinary circumstances,
including the luck of having the right Boggart to train with! He did
come through under stress, thanks to the Time Turner (thank you,
Dumbledore!), but he was not directly facing the hundred Dementors,
which were focused on his non-Time-Turned self and Sirius Black, whose
soul they were ready to suck.
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> Eggplant:   
> > > 5) Harry could easily overcome the Imperious Curse, something 
even formidable wizards like the real Moody and Crouch junior and
senior found extremely difficult to do. <snip>
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> Colebiancardi:   
> > I don't think "easily" is the right word, IMHO.  In GoF, he was 
obediently to the curse until his inner voice questioned it.  I think
he has the knack to overcome the Imperious Curse, but I don't know if
the word easy is the correct one.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Okay, how about **better** than anybody else so far?
> 
Carol:
This one I'll concede, though I wonder if the ability to resist the
Imperius Curse is one of the abilities he acquired from Voldemort.
It's odd that he can do so but can't do Occlumency (so JKR says) since
the two require similar abilities. If we were to go solely by the
books and not by interviews, I'd say that his inability to do
Occlumency has more to do with not trying because he hates Snape and
wants to have the dream than with lack of ability. surely, he could
reach the rudimentary level Draco has reached with a little effort.
But, no. He ostensibly can't separate himself from his emotions.
Sounds like a weakness to me. 
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> > colebiancard(who thinks Harry is talented, but his friends (and
> > enemies) do play a huge role in his success)
> >
> 
> Alla, who completely agrees with Eggplant on this one.
>
Carol, agreeing with Colebiancardi and respectfully noting the correct
spelling of "Patronus" and "Imperius" (blushes and adjusts McGonagall
glasses)