MuggleNet - Godrics Hollow Theory. General vs Specific

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 163645

--- In /HPforGrownups/message/163614, "esmith222002" wrote
> Brothergib replies;
> I think the implication is that DD may have suggested that the 
> Potter's use the house in Godric's Hollow. Therefore he would 
> suspect that they are at GH, but wouldn't be able to find them if 
> he turned up there - without spending a considerable amount of time 
> trying to break through the magic (as he did in 'The Cave'). 

Mike:
Yep, that works... to a degree. Clearly, DD knew the Potters had 
intended to use the "Fidelius". But <you knew there'd be a "but", 
just as long as it doesn't have two "t"s, I always say ;-)> ...but, 
don't you suspect that the "Fidelius" does more than just make the 
object invisible? 

What I mean is, if you only allow for invisibility, the "Fidelius" 
comes across as too limited and quite a bit short of potent for the 
ultimate hiding charm. Besides, what about other types of secrets 
that don't involve hiding something or someone? For example, what if 
your secret is: 'I know where all of Voldemort's Horcruxes are 
hidden'? Couldn't you hide that knowledge inside a secret keeper so 
that no-one could extract that knowledge from you?

I suspect that the "Fidelius" not only protects the secret, it also 
disavows anyone of knowledge associated with the reason for 
the "Fidelius"  along with some kind of protection for the secret 
keeper. That is IF this complex spell is cast *correctly*, which I 
also suspect it wasn't in the case of the Potters. JMO.

> Brothergib - (who is a Cowboys supporter, and is convinced that 
> dark (magic?) forces conspired against them this week!

Mike:
Now I get your yahoo ID, Emmett <g>


--- In HPforGrownups/message/163624, "justcarol67" wrote:

> Carol responds:
> But the problem is, we have two different kinds of Secrets. One is 
> the location of the Potters (people), the other is the location of 
> the Order HQ (a building). So in the first case, while the charm is 
> in effect, the Potters' house can be seen but the Potters 
> themselves are invisible as long as they're in that house.
> <snip>
> 
> But in the second case, the house *is* the Order HQ; therefore, the
> location itself must be hidden. <snip>

Mike:
:: smacks himself in forehead:: This is the way I wrote it up in the 
pamphlet. I shouldda remembered! I confused myself by rereading the 
note. Thanks for setting me straight, Carol. <bg>

> Carol cont:
> It will be interesting to see how this relates to the Dursleys, who
> were rather indirectly informed of the Secret (without understanding
> it) by the SK himself in HBP. Will they see the house, or will any
> anti-Muggle charms placed by Orion Black still be in place? And are
> owls, not being magical "beings," exempt from Fidelius Charms?

Mike:
I *do* hope JKR goes there. This might be the only comic relief we 
get in the whole book.

> Carol, who wonders if Dumbledore made the building itself the Secret
> in the case of the Order because hiding the Potters rather than 
> their house was such a spectacular failure

Mike, who rather expects the Potter's problem was a combination of 
errors as well as a poor choice of SK. Is it possible PP will be 
exonerated for his part? .... not a chance!