Do you agree? (Harry as Horcrux)

[iris_ft]

No: HPFGUIDX 163801



Hello, may I join the debate, even if I've been a long time without
posting on the list?





Geoff wrote:
"Just to briefly reiterate what I have said in the past, I subscribe
to the
opposite view because, if Harry is a Horcrux, then this seems to put
him in a "hiding to nothing" situation.

If all the Horcruxes have to be destroyed to finally dispose of
Voldemort,
then this scenario dictates that Harry has to die - not might have to -
but has to. This removes all that Dumbledore has trumpeted about choice
and means that Harry has been doomed from the word go. Why put us
through this enthralling and fascinating series of books when it is a
foregone conclusion that our messy-haired, green-eyed Gryffindor is
quite definitely not going to emerge at the end?"



What Geoff wrote sounds like what a friend told me yesterday, when I
said that I was stocking Kleenex and chocolate before the last book was
released


Talking more seriously, I don't know if Harry is going to die or to
survive. But I don't think he's a Horcrux. If I understand
correctly the way it works, when a Horcrux is destroyed, the part of the
soul it contains is destroyed too (or am I mistaken? You'll correct
me if I'm wrong.) So, if it works that way, Voldemort wouldn't
have told Quirrell to kill Harry at the end of "Harry Potter and the
Philosopher's Stone". The Dark Lord is a psychopath, but
he's not stupid, and he's not forgetful. And he probably knows
the cost he paid in order to create his Horcruxes. So, even if he wanted
to get the Stone, he probably wouldn't have been ready to loose one
of them, to destroy it




As for Harry having to die, to scarify himself in order to vanquish
Voldemort
 Aah, it has been puzzling me, and I've been trying
various scenarios, as everybody in the Potterverse, I suppose.
Here's one of them; I hope it won't sound too cranky (and that
if it does sound, you won't throw me a Bludger).



I've been a long time without posting here, but I didn't give up
a theory I started developing on this group three or four years ago: the
Seven Ordeals at the end of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
are metaphors for each of the seven books in the series (the
Three-Headed Dog = Book 1, etc
). If this theory is exact (and it
seems to work when we compare what happens in the two last chapters of
the first book with what JK Rowling develops in her six first novels)
then we can expect to find in "Harry Potter and the Deathly
Hallows" narrative elements and ideas that already appear in the
last chapter of "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone".

So we can say that in the last book, we'll find references to
whatever has to do with a mirror, because the Mirror of Erised is the
last Ordeal Harry has to face (PS/SS, chapter 17): reflections,
inversions, illusions, etc




Now, this it what it could mean referring to "Harry Potter and the
Deathly Hallows".

In PS/SS, Harry faces himself in the Mirror of Erised. The Harry in the
Mirror gives his flesh and bones double the Stone. We can say that we
have "a double Harry" acting at the same moment.



It could imply that in the last book, Harry will have to find in himself
the solution to vanquish Voldemort. Or that he will have to split his
being, to be double: on one side, his body or physical being; on the
other side, his "well organized mind" and soul, or spiritual
being.

Harry could let Voldemort destroy his material being. But only one part
of him would die.

And it would destroy Voldemort, who would kill himself killing Harry,
because of the blood connection between them.

Voldemort used Harry's blood, i.e. part of his physical, material
being, in order to create his new body. I've always been wondering
about what could happen to this new, but artificial body. Would it keep
on living if one of its components happened to disappear? For example,
if Peter Pettigrew, he who gave the flesh, happened to die? What would
happen with Voldemort's flesh? Bones, flesh and blood are
connections to the material world, which is Voldemort's universe.
The Dark Lord is unable to care for something else. He's obsessed
with what is material: he wants to rule the Wizarding World and he
collects trophies. As for what is spiritual, he doesn't care: he
even spoiled his soul; he sacrificed it in order to preserve his
material being.

Now, what would happen if Harry managed to leave his own physical being?
Voldemort could destroy Harry's material being, and doing that,
maybe he would destroy his own blood and kill himself


I confess it is rather complicated... and I'm not sure it would be a
good solution. Too esoteric, maybe, even after the Prophecy and the
Horcruxes.

And how would Harry manage to separate his spiritual being from his
material being? Using a Dementor? Using spells that are the contrary of
the one a wizard uses to create a Horcrux? Could it have to do with the
Deathly Hallows (something like a sanctuary you build in order to keep
your soul safe and to preserve its integrity)?

Who knows?




Geoff:
"As a member of the IWHTLC, if Harry dies at the end of Book 7, I
shall be
Rowling on the ground with fury. :-)"



Here's an acronym I didn't know; I'll have to find the
meaning in the archive. As for "Rowling on the ground with fury"
if Harry dies
 ah, it's only literature, after all. But why not,
if the carpet is clean and comfortable?



Amicalement,



Iris



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