JKR's Dumbledore: Harry or Hermione (was:Re: It really annoys me ...

[quick_silver71]

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--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "horridporrid03" 
<horridporrid03 at ...> wrote:
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Quick_Silver:
I've snipped everything before because you make such good points that 
I find myself in totally agreement with you.

> > >>Quick_Silver:
> > Having Harry wonder (and not be shot down) in PS/SS and CoS 
(with   
> > the whole thing in Hagrid's hut) provides a base for 
that          
> > Dumbledore of later books.
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> But I'm not talking about Dumbledore turning a blind(ish) eye to 
> Harry wandering the castle after hours, or probing the library for 
> information.  I'm talking about Dumbledore allowing, or even 
> encouraging eleven year old Harry to trap himself in a room with, 
at 
> the very least, a highly skilled and intensely loyal Death Eater.  
> What does that set the foundation for?
> 
> To my mind that version of Dumbledore is quite willing to sacrifice 
> the life of the littlest Weasley to further test his weapon's 
> mettle.  That Dumbledore is quite willing to sacrifice an innocent 
> man's sanity to tie his weapon to his cause.  But is that really 
the 
> Dubmledore JKR is wanting us to see in the end?  I doubt it.    
> 
> But I don't think JKR has made her version of Dumbledore all that 
> clear.  That so many readers think Dumbledore *wanted* Harry to go 
> through the trap door in PS/SS proves my point.  There's no way to 
> explain a Dumbledore willing to put a child to that sort of risk 
> without allowing for a certain amount of monstrosity in his 
> character.  But that version of the events in PS/SS, Harry's 
version, 
> still stands.  JKR needs to shoot it down.  IMO, anyway. <g>
> 
> Betsy Hp

Quick_Silver:
Ok I think I see why you want JK to shoot down that version of 
Dumbledore. My one point (since aside from that I agree with you) is 
that I think the version of Dumbledore you mention above 
(manipulative!Dumbledore or whatever  he goes by) is, IMO, tied 
inherently with Dumbledore's supposed omniscience. So it could be 
that the whole shooting down of Dumbledore might not happen with a 
bang but a whimper in following with the pattern of Harry seeing a 
more human Dumbledore with each book (or that the series has built to 
this point perhaps?).

Quick_Silver