Do you agree? (Harry as Horcrux)

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 163984

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" wrote:
> 
> > Mike previously:
> 
> > Personally, I take the position that if the spell isn't cast 
> > before the murder, the soul piece does not seperate from the main 
> > and begins to repair itself. The chance is lost, it's too late to 
> > seperate it and encase it.
> > <snip>
> 
> Geoff:
> <snip the canon>
> 
> Nothing in what Slughorn says implies that the soul would begin to 
> repair itself. The thrust of his comments is that the soul fragment 
> DOES separate from the main piece. Killing rips the soul apart. 
> Full stop.

Mike now:
Wellll..., actually not full stop. Slughorn goes on to explain what 
one can do with that torn piece, but he doesn't say what happens to 
the piece if it isn't removed to an external object. That was left 
for us to conjecture. Does a fully repentant murderer get his soul 
restored? Maybe with residual "scarring"?

Let's say I accept your premise. The soul piece splits off and ... 
what .... floats away? Heads off "through the veil"? Or do all the 
soul fragments from a mass murderer like Voldemort remain in his body 
like so much confetti? How would you square that with your previous 
post wherein you likened the soul to a gas filling a container and if 
a part is removed the remaining expands to still fill the container? 
Where does the removed gas go, to a new container? How did we get a 
new container? What's your guess, Geoff?

Keep in mind Dumbledore's pronouncement that Voldemort seemed to be 
saving his Horcrux making for significant murders. How does one do 
that if the torn soul pieces from other murders remain with the host 
as seperate entities? Do the seperated pieces have markers that 
designate which murder they came from? Does the Horcrux encasing 
spell actually select which soul piece it's going to encase? The 
logistics of this scenario is too complicated for me and I suspect 
way too complicated for JKR with her penchant to short shrift the 
mechanics of magic. I have to go with the simplified version. The 
Horcrux is made at the time of the murder and that is the only soul 
piece available for encasement.

At any rate, it doesn't change my position on when a Horcrux creation 
spell can be cast in relation to the murder that splits the soul. 
There still isn't any canon as to when it must be cast, and I'm still 
leaning on the premise that pre-loading the spell is necessary to 
accomplish the deed.

Mike, who really has no position on what happens to a split soul, 
only trying to explain how Harry could have accidentally been endowed 
with a guest soul piece from Voldiepants