Do you agree? (Harry as Horcrux)

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 164025

Carol earlier:
> > I'm speculating now, but it seems likely to me that he found out
how to create a Horcrux, not from the Hogwarts library or Slughorn,
but from the one living man who had created one--Voldemort. And that
would be sometime after the murder of the Riddles and the conversation
with Slughorn but before the murder of Hepzibah Smith.
> 
> Geoff:
> Hang on, I think I'm losing the plot here. Am I misreading you or
are you suggesting in a roundabout way that he taught himself to make
Horcruxes?
> 
> I think I'm about to launch a new society - IHHC, the I hate
Horcruxes Club :-)
>

Carol:
Oi! I should read my own posts more carefully. That's supposed to
read: "The one living man who had created one--Grindelwald." 

To clarify: Slughorn says that the information isn't available at
Hogwarts, and he doesn't provide sufficient information himself for
Tom (who has already split his soul but doesn't know the spell to
create a Horcrux) to create one at that time. He's still wearing the
ring, which to me means that it isn't yet a Horcrux or it would be
hidden. His questions also indicate that he doesn't yet know how to
make one.

If he can't learn the information at Hogwarts, what can he do? Simple.
Go to someone who *can* teach him, the one wizard known to have
created a Horcrux.

I know this is speculation, but Grindelwald is mentioned twice in
SS/PS for a reason. The date of his defeat by Dumbledore coincides
with the date that Tom left school. Coincidence? I think not. And
Dumbledore implies that both he and Voldemort were aware of a wizard
who had made a single Horcrux. Who more likely than "the Dark wizard
Grindelwald" to be that person?

As I've noted earlier, I don't think that the diary was a Horcrux to
begin with. I think it was originally a powerful magical object
intended to interact with the reader, who would open the Chamber of
Secrets, proving that Tom was the Heir of Slytherin. Later, after he'd
split his soul four times (I count Myrtle as a murder) *and* knew the
requisite spell, he made it into a Horcrux, along with the one trophy
he'd acquired, the Peverell ring. IOW, I don't think that the *memory*
(or memories) he placed in the diary are the same thing as the soul
bit that was placed there later. (Why would he use a meaningless diary
of no more worth than a mouth organ? It already had significance for
him *before* he made it a Horcrux. Dumbleddore said so himself.) So I
don't think Tom created any Horcruxes at sixteen, but I do think he'd
made two of them by the time he killed Hepzibah Smith. A visit to
Grindelwald in 1945, just before his defeat, fits nicely into that
niche. And why would DD have gone after Grindelwald just at that time
unless he was trying to prevent Tom from learning to create a Horcrux?

Sheesh. I can't believe I typed "Voldemort" for "Grindelwald." No
wonder you were confused!

Carol, noting that Lupinlore has already founded a society for people
who hate Horcruxes if you care to join