DD and Harry and Dursleys Re: Christian Forgiveness and Snape

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 164332

> Magpie:
> But we can't really say that it's for the best, because Nightmare!
> Harry who has all the worst qualities of lots of other characters
> doesn't exist. How Harry turned out doesn't retroactively make the 
> Dursleys' actions better. Lots of people have probably turned out 
> well in response to bad situations, but that doesn't make the bad 
> situations right. We wouldn't say poverty was a good thing because 
> there are writers whose childhood poverty informed their work.

Alla:

Oh,man. Stands up gives Magpie long round of applauds for every word 
in this post. Saving it among my all time favorite posts.

Now, I really do have something else to say beyond my adoration, I 
promise. :)

Absolutely, I agree. The bad situations do not become better because 
of unintended consequences. Death of Lily and James is not a good 
thing, cannot **ever** be a good thing, despite the fact that it 
brought to WW the decade of peace.
 
Magpie:
> The other trouble for me in looking at the Dursleys as good for
> Harry is that the position always seems to lead to arguing against 
> normal parental affection as if it's damaging. Draco's family 
> obviously has a lot of problems, and he himself has a lot of 
> personality flaws, but sending sweets to your 11-year-old at 
> boarding school is hardly a sign of pampering gone wild (Draco 
> doesn't share Dudley's problem with gluttony either).<SNIPS of some 
examples> 

Alla:

Oh and Ron and Hermione, who grew up in loving families also look 
quite okay to me, not pampered whatever :)


Magpie: 
> So I can't give Dumbledore props for fostering Harry's development
> into a selfless and courageous person by sticking him with people
> who didn't love him and made sure he knew it--nor can I see having a
> child raised by people who are mean to him and don't love him as a
> form of fostering selfless and courageous development. (He scolds 
> them on their parenting in HBP too, having it both ways.)
<SNIP>

Alla:

It also implies that DD only cared for Harry in a sense of him saving 
WW, to me anyways. I understand that many people buy that, but I do 
not.


Magpie:
 It's one
> thing to argue that the Dursleys weren't so bad in the end or that
> the final product of their upbringing is a pretty good kid, but
> trying to go further always seems to result in making affection
> damaging and well-avoided. The only solution to a problem the
> Dursleys offered was in blood protection.
><SNIP>


Alla:

I truly wonder sometimes if blood protection was supposed to ever 
enter the picture, ever.

JMO.