OPEN: Ultimate and Last Bragging Rights by TigerPatronus

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 171187

mz_annethrope wrote:
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>  Alternate 1. What are Snape's patronus and boggert? 
>  PATRONUS: STAG; BOGGERT: DEAD POTTERS

Snape's Patronus a Stag, meaning that *James* is his spirit guardian
(as he is Harry's)? I must say that seems to me most unlikely. Can you
explain your thinking here? As for the Boggart, would his greatest
fear be something that had already happened? I think he most fears
*Harry's* death, but I'm not sure whether we can argue for our
responses in this thread (appeals to TigerPatronus for an answer), so
I'm just asking you to explain yours (assuming that's allowed). BTW,
there's no "e" in "Boggart." I like to capitalize it, but that's just me.

>  1. Snape's connection to Harry will be one of obligation and debt 
> (real or assumed). We will not find out that DD cut a deal with 
> Snape to have Snape kill him. This is a vote against ESE/Snape, out 
> for himself Snape or Utilitarian Snape/DD (Snape killed DD because 
> he and DD thought it would have the happiest results). This is a 
> vote for deontological Snape. Not that I would vote for him.
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Carol:
Again, can you explain what you mean here, especially "deontological
Snape"?) If I understand your terminology correctly, I believe in what
you're calling Utilitarian Snape--that is, his actions on the tower,
particularly sending DD over the battlement (whether or not the AK was
real--and, yes, of course, I know that DD is dead) allowed Snape not
only to live and go underground as a saboteur against Voldemort but to
save Harry and Draco from the DEs and get the DEs out of Hogwarts.
(There was, IMO, no saving Dumbledore.) So is that what you mean by
Utilitarian Snape? If not, can you clarify? And can you explain your
alternative view (deontological Snape)?


mz_annethrope

>  6. We'll see Snape cry.

Carol responds:

Interesting! I wonder if I could bear that. As long as he lives and
Harry forgives him, I suppose I could endure it, as long as it's from
remorse or grief or anguish and not weakness. (I *hate* the nickname
Snivellus, which is one reason I can't endure Harry's dear godfather.)

mz_annethrope:
>  7. Luna will become a wandmaker.

Carol responds:
If she lives, poor girl! Is it those silvery, Ollivanderlike eyes that
make you think so? (Alternatively, she might become a true Seer.)

Carol, who found these responses intriguing but isn't sure how much
discssion is allowed in this thread