[HPforGrownups] Re: Reason Dumbledore trusted Snape.

[Bart Lidofsky]

No: HPFGUIDX 171689

From: justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com>
Carol earlier:
>> >I've said this before, but here I go again. Trust is not based on
>>compulsion. 
>> 
>Bart responded:
>> Tell that to Bill Gates. 
>
>Carol again:
>Sorry. I don't understand. In any case, we're talking about DD.

Bart: 
I'm talking about trust. The current design philosophy of Microsoft's products, especially the operating system, is to take control of the computer away from the user, and give it to Microsoft. It's called "trusted computing", and it allows Microsoft to trust your computer by compulsion. Now, to apply it to the WW:
 
Carol earlier:
>> >It's the belief that the other person will do the right thing of
>his own volition. 
>> 
>> Bart:
>> And compulsion is a great way to ensure that. <snip>
>
>Caraol again:
>Compulsion is a great way to ensure that some does something *of his
>own volition*? Sorry. No. They're opposites. Voldemort uses compulsion
>to ensure that his DEs do his will specifically because he *doesn't*
>trust them. 

Bart:
Or, more precisely, so he CAN trust them. 

>Again, compulsion and trust are opposites. A trustworthy person does
>not require compulsion, nor does a person who trusts use compulsion as
>a motivator. If you trust your kid to do his homework, you don't stand
>over him threatening to take away his computer privileges if he
>doesn't do it right now. And if he's trustworthy, he'll do the
>homework without compulsion. (If he's not trustworthy, of course, you
>both have a problem.)

Bart: 
There's an old Russian saying, popularized in the U.S. by Ronald Reagan: Trust, but verify. It means that people suddenly become much more trustworthy if they know they're getting checked on, and that there are penalties for violating the trust greater than the gains to be made. 

Bart:
>> I don't think DD would trust an Unbreakable Vow. He makes it quite
>clear that, from his point of view, there are worse things than death.
>Which implies that, whatever reason DD has for trusting Snape is
>STRONGER than an Unbreakable Vow.
>
>Carol again:
>Hm. I guess we agree here, sort of. At least, neither of us thinks
>that DD would resort to an Unbreakable Vow. But my point is that DD
>would not force another wizard to do his will. That isn't trust; it's
>compulsion, a Voldemortian tactic. And DD is all about choices, second
>chances, and trust--the antithesis of Voldemort.

Bart:
He has been demonstrated as doing so. Can you say 12 Grimmauld Place? Well, a bunch of members of the OOP can't. The difference is prior agreement (actually, he did NOT get prior agreement from Harry). 

Bart