SPOILER - Final Predictions 3 - Lupin killed Sirius

tinglinger tinglinger at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 15 21:29:01 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 171816

I have never felt that the fight scene in OOP was fully
described -- too much happening there -- and the movie was
all wrong on what transpired (not to ruin the film).
Lupin knew that Sirius' influence was not good for Harry.
As for what happens ...... here are the quotes from OOP with
comments ....
 


"Harry flung the prophecy across the floor[1].
Malfoy was blasted off his back. AS Harry scrambled up
again he looked around and saw Malfoy smash into the
dais [2] on which Sirius and Bellatrix were now dueling.
Malfoy aimed his wand at Harry and Neville again, but
before he could draw breath to strike, Lupin had jumped
between them [3]."


Tinglinger
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Here are the comments:

[1] So, Harry is on the floor below the dais and not yet
on any stairs. Malfoy attacks and Harry blasts him

[2] Malfoy is on the floor within Harry's sight, and also
right BELOW the dais where S & B are fighting

[3] Lupin is now on the floor level between Harry and
Malfoy, with Malfoy the closest and Harry the farthest from
the dais.

REMEMBER THAT ALL THREE ARE BELOW THE DAIS!
Back to the fight and snipping of some action. Harry and
Neville try to climb the stairs but there is no indication
that the position of Malfoy or Lupin had changed.
"Dumbledore was already at the foot of the steps [4]", so he
is also at floor level.

Back to OOP .............

Only one couple were still battling, apparently unaware
of the new arrival. Harry saw Sirius duck [5] Bellatrix's
jet of red light: [6] He was laughing at her. "Come on,
you can do better than that!" he yelled, his voice echoing
around the cavernous room.

The [7] second jet of light hit him squarely [8] on
the chest.

The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes
widened in shock [9].

[snip]

It seemed to take Sirius an age to fall. His body curved in
a graceful arc [10] as he sank through the ragged veil
hanging from the arch....

And Harry saw the look of mingled fear and suprise [11] on
his godfather's wasted once-handsome face as fell through
the ancient doorway and disappeared behind the veil, ....


Tinglinger
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[5]Ducking means that Sirius was now not directly facing
Bellatrix. His chest is facing the ground or is at least
at an angle to it (try ducking to see what i mean)

[6] Note the rare use of a colon here .....
This would imply that the action continues from sentence to
sentence - there is a link between the sentences. To me
this indicates that Sirius had not risen again from his duck.

[7] Not that if "Her" was substitiued for "The" there would
be no question where the second jet of light came from. I
don't believe that this was an accident or sloppy writing.

[8] "squarely on the chest" of Sirius implies that since
Sirius was still crouching BELLATRIX COULD NOT HAVE CAST
THE SECOND SPELL! Once again, try ducking and see if you are
still facing an imaginary opponent and get hit. I don't
think so.......

[9] and [11] "shock" "fear" and "suprise" - sounds like there
is an extra adjective here. I wonder if he was suprised as to
which wand the jet of light emananted from ---- Lupin's !

[10] "curved in a graceful arc" implies that his body arced
BACKWARDS, unbowing Sirius and projecting him backwards
through the veil.

Read the paragraphs slowly and visualize what happens.....
Do you see what I mean ?

In addition to the above, think about Bellatrix's fear
of punishment by Voldemort for not procuring the prophecy
orb for him, she says "Master I am sorry. I knew not. I was
fighting the Animagus Black!" (oop 812)
She doesn't mention KILLING him, just fighting him. Why
would she be shy with her accomplishments when she is about
to be punished by her master?

JKR spends many paragraphs describing who was where
in the battle. Everyone else was preoccupied in the battle,
incapacitated, unconscious, or getting lassoed by Dumbledore.
EXCEPT LUPIN, who as I said, was in perfect position to act
anonymously. Malfoy also could have cast the spell but his
angle wasn't as good as he was directly under the dais and
may not even have had a shot.

Interesting, eh ?

Makes me wonder about Lupin....

Once again, this is not an argument that events HAD to
happen this way. Just don't be surprised if they did.












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