Dumbledore is Ever So Evil! (Was: New Poll for HPfGu)

[lizzyben04]

No: HPFGUIDX 172015

> Carol responds:
> <snip>
> However, I do want to nitpick this one example. Dumbledore does 
*not*
> Obliviate Marietta. Kingsley Shacklebolt does. And, FWIW, DD
> reprimands Umbridge for, erm, manhandling Marietta. Even though 
she's
> betrayed the DA (with at least understandable if hardly noble
> motives), he protects her as his student.

lizzyben:

Yes, you're right. Shaklebolt does the oblivating, presumably on 
DD's orders. It's not even that that bothered me - cause DD could 
justify doing that in order to keep the DA secret. But Umbridge 
learns who the DA members are anyway, & the oblivation doesn't 
accomplish much at all (beyond further traumatizing Marietta). But 
DD still congratulates Shaklebolt on his great shot. And his anger 
at the "manhandling" seems a bit hypocritical considering that he'd 
just approved a mind-wipe of the same student. It just seemed 
unfair, somehow. It seemed to show an abuse of power, but I can 
definitely see how others might disagree.
 
Carol:
> Also, "ESE!" as used in this group generally means "secret 
supporter
> of Voldemort," so perhaps Talisman's "Guilty!Dumbledore" is a 
better
> label for the extreme version of Manipulative!DD or Puppetmaster!DD
> that you're advocating.

lizzyben:

Sorry, sorry. I should've stuck w/puppetmaster, but the drama was 
just too tempting.

> Carol, who somehow doubts that the revelations in DH will include 
an
> evil Dumbledore (which rather saps the significance of DDM!Snape to
> indicate a good Snape loyal to the side of Light--and robs him of a
> good guy to be loyal to!)
>

lizzyben:

Unless Snape is Lily's Man. :) *cue groans* This is sort of how I 
see Snape - Deontological!Snape, who has a duty to Lily, Harry & 
Hogwarts. DD is a nasty piece of work he works w/in order to fulfill 
this duty. 


lizzyben, who can speculate about ESE DD, but will be truly 
devastated if Snape turns out to be evil.