My Officially First Deathly Hallows Post!!

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 172225

Because *IT* is all about Snape - the bravest man Harry ever knew, my
first post back is, no surprise here, on Snape's reason.   And my
*Why, O' Why* questions..

Picking crow's feathers out of my teeth, as despite the fact that
Snape was on the *good* side in the end and Harry realized it, the
theory that I loathed the most (yes, even more than ESE!Snape or
OFH!Snape, heck, even ACIDPOPS) came *true*.  LOLLIPOPS - in its full
glory, sickly sweet and cloying.  To quote
the-medium-that-must-not-be-named!Snape, I think I will vomit ;)

First things first.  At least Snape was for defeating LV.  I don't
think he is either DDM!Snape or OFH!Snape, but L.I.L.Y.Snape...

L.I.L.Y. - stands for "Lily, I Luv Yewwww"

yeah, I know, it's not original, but from now on, this is what I will
use - not DDM!Snape, but LILY!Snape.


Someone needs to fit the words "Creepy Obsession" into LOLLIPOPS,
because after 30 years (he did meet her when he was 9), he still pines
for her?  His patronus is *her* patronus (gagging again - another
feather just came up).  He spies on her, wants her for all to himself,
still calls her Lily Evans after she has married James Potter.  Looks
into Harry's eyes (oh, so much like Lily's) as he dies.   This is
*his* noble reason?  His ironclad reason for putting his life on the
line for decades?  The "I Trust Severus Snape with My Life" reason?

o_O

ok.  I still don't like and I still don't think it is valid enough,
but hey, it is now canon and that is that.  And so is Snape's nickname
of Sev - at least it wasn't Sevvie....

And Lily - well, she may be *sainted* Lily, but she is DENSE!Lily in
my book - didn't she see his obsession?  Didn't she know she was
feeding his fantasies?  Either she WAS dense or she *loved* having
Snape eat out her hand --- hmmm, maybe not so sainted afterall -
TEASE!Lily.   And my goodness, no one *bothered* to tell Harry that
Lily & Snape were BFF (best friends forever) - If I could do a heart
symbol, I would insert one....


oh well.....I may have, *could* have, lived with the LOLLIPOPS stuff
except for this, this one pathetic scene in the book, that just ripped
out my soul - I don't even need a dementor.   A little history, if I
may:

going wayyyyy back to 2002
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/34839

cindysphynx wrote:

Speaking for myself, the core of my Ewwwww objection isn't just that I
don't care for SHIPping, although that is part of it. The bottom line
is that Snape's schoolboy crush on a girl he never had makes Snape
insufficiently Tough. It is the sort of thing Hagrid would do. Despite
all of the quarrels I have with Snape, I've never said he lacks
Toughness. Does he flee when the Dark Mark burns on his arm? No, he
sucks it up and deals. Does he flinch at returning to spying? No, he
sucks it up and deals. If anything, Snape might even be *too* Tough,
which explains his nasty treatment of the students.

In the face of all of that Toughness, enter LOLLIPOPS. I'm now
supposed to picture Snape shivering in his cold dungeon, with Lily's
yellowing yearbook pictures tacked to the walls, the floor littered
with crumpled photos of Lily that Snape secretly snapped with a
telephoto lense, Lily's wedding photo on the bedside table with
Snape's head pasted on James' body, a stack of scribbled and
undelivered love letters in the desk drawer, and the ring he never
screwed up the courage to give her? Ewwwww!

colebiancardi back now:

yep, "Too EWW to be TREWW"  was in the book - *now I know* that JKR
lurks here :)

 

"And next, Snape was kneeling in Sirius's old bedroom.  Tears were
dripping from the end of his hooked nose as he read the old letter
from Lily.  The second page carried only a few words:  'could ever
have been friends with Gellert Grindelwald.  I think her mind's going,
personally!  Lots of Love, Lily'
Snape took the page bearing Lily's signature, and her love, and tucked
it inside his robes.  Then he ripped in two the photograph he was also
holding, so that he kept the part from which Lily laughed, throwing
the portion showing James and Harry back onto the floor"  from DH, US
Ed, chapter 33, pages 688 -689


can we say very much like cindy's prophetic prose up above?  I've got
to admit, I don't know whether to admire the tenacity of his love-lore
obsession or laugh at it.  I must say my first reaction was EWWWW.
Well, at least no one cannot say now that Snape wasn't brave about the
whole thing.  He was kinda left hanging all by his lonesome in DH's,
yet he stuck it thru to the bitter and very nasty end, knowing all of
the risks involved.

And I guess if you were *once* a DE but renounced that association,
your death is still nasty - look at Poor Regulus - alone in the cave,
attacked by Inferi and probably became one - what a way to go.   I did
get *teary* eyed when I read Kreacher's Tale.  ;_;    Another helping
of crow, please, as I was sure Regulus was still alive.

Slight, dark, very young Regulus - a seeker, like Harry.  I thought
that Harry *felt* a quick bond with Regulus, but it was so fleeting.
Dying alone in the cave.  Doing his part and he couldn't confide in
anyone - although, I wonder, *who* did he talk to prior to going to
the cave?  How did he know what that locket was?  Was it Slughorn that
he spoke with?  Anyway, talk about bravery- Regulus, who knew what the
right thing to do was.   I would have enjoyed more on him.  And it
seems that Regulus's reason for betraying LV was the reason that I
wanted for Snape...

Snape, fanged to death by Nagini - no nice funeral here for him - oh
wait, Harry gives his last kid Snape's name as a middle name - oh my,
I need to hold onto my boots!!  And where is Portrait!Snape?  Wasn't
he a *headmaster*?  Why don't we get to see him?  No redeemption for
DE's who have seen the light of day - not a very good message.   And
can I say, what a crappy death scene.  Even if you hate Snape, it is
lame.  Snape - a powerful wizard - gets killed by having a snake
dropped on his head?????   And he didn't *have * to die - he wasn't
the master of the Elder Wand.  And don't tell me that Snape didn't
take precautions with Nagini around - what, he doesn't drink an
anti-venom potion before going into LV's lair?

And why did it take Harry so long to think that there was something
*off* with Snape?  When Snape became Headmaster, LV now has complete
access to Sibyll and the prophecy.  Why didn't Snape turn over our
seer to LV for further info?   Why didn't Harry question that?  Seems
to me, he could have used all the allies he could get.

James, Lily, Lupin, Sirius and Dumbledore all get to romp with Harry
in the afterlife, but Snape?  Nowhere to be seen.  Dumbledore doesn't
even try to tell Harry that "oh yeah, well, but he is here with us"
or  "but he has finally found peace in this afterlife".  Nothing.
Nada.  Hey, a thought - maybe Snape isn't dead - afterall, no
Portrait!Snape and that wasn't answered in this book...I guess I can
still *theorize*!!!  Yeah!!  Maybe JKR is leaving the saga open -
never say never - *it* took Lucas 16 years to start up his Star Wars
prequels and umpteen years later, we are getting a 4th installment on
Indiana Jones.

What the heck was DD's comment to Snape about "sorting too soon"
because Snape was brave?  Are we to believe that Dumbledore, a
champion *against* the whole sorting of the Houses, is stating that
anyone *not* in Gryffindor is *not brave*?  Was this just a
back-handed compliment or a snide comment, because Snape certainly
looked taken aback by that comment.  I thought DD was *against* the
Houses and their stereotypes.   And I hope I was not the only one that
was shocked that the House thing was still in play 19 years later!!!
And the old biases as well....

And Tonks?  Why kill her off?  Just so we can have *another* child who
is orphaned?  oh boy, thanks a lot for that.  I can understand killing
off all of the original cast at Hogwarts, but Tonks?  And Fred?
Hedwig - a bird, fer crying out loud?  I know Harry has to *go* it
alone...but please.

Overall, take out chapter 33 and I can live with Deathly Hallows.  Not
my favorite book in the series at all.  Not even in the top 4.  Harry
dying and coming back - well, some may say Christ-like, but other much
older religions have had resurrection scenes, so it works for me.
Favorite chapters are Kreacher's Tale, King's Cross, The Battle at
Hogwarts.

LOVED Luna's bedroom.  How sweet and touching was that???? And Sibyll
throwing her Crystal Balls :)

I was disappointed that it was Molly that took out Bellatrix - I was
hoping for Neville to have that honor, but at least he killed Nagini -
I think I got all the Horcruxes correct - I didn't name Voldy as one
:)  If I remember correctly,  I stated the Horcruxes were 1) the diary
2) the ring 3) the tiara in the RoR where Harry hid the HBP potion
book 4) Hufflepuff cup 5) Nagini 6) the locket and 7) Harry.


Don't get me started on Dumbledore's manipulations....I will just say
this though - it is canon, now, that DD was the only person that could
horrify Snape:
"If I know him, he will have arranged matters so that when does set
out to meet his death, it will truly  mean the end of Voldemort."
Dumbledore opened his eyes.  Snape looked horrified.  "You have kept
him alive so that he can die at the right moment?"
"Don't be shocked, Severus.  How many men and women have you watched die?"
"Lately, only those whom I could not save,"  said Snape.  He stood up.
 "You used me."
"I have spied for you and lied for you, put myself in mortal danger
for you.   Everything was supposed to be to keep Lily Potter's son
safe.  Now you tell me you have been raising him like a pig for
slaughter -- "
DH (US edition p 687)


Sorry I cannot comment much more on the book - it will take me some
time to stop saying "Too EWW to be TREWW" and for me to get over it :)

I still have so many questions (new and old) that haven't been
answered.  Hopefully, my other fellow listies here will help me with
them...

colebiancardi
(who is looking for her Pepto *again*!!  That crow went down badly and
I still have a whole humble pie to eat)

postscript:  I guess the conversation that DD had with Draco in the
HBP hardcover US edition was a FLINT.  The one where DD tells Draco
"They cannot kill you if you are already dead" stuff....